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martin kitching · Oct 4, 2006

Hi all

Have finally finished going through my archive of moth images. Garden list now stands at 71 (was at 35 just over a fortnight ago - thanks for all the help). I'm now left with a few images that I'm still not certain about. This first batch I think I know the ID of;

1) Mottled Rustic
2) Large Yellow Underwing
3) Common Marbled Carpet
4) Common Wainscot
5) Twin-spot Quaker

Please confirm, or correct

cheers
martin

martin kitching · Oct 4, 2006

5 more

martin kitching · Oct 4, 2006

And finally (at least until I trap something else that I can't ID) another 5.

cheers
martin

Surreybirder · Oct 4, 2006

My guesses would be:
1) not sure -- possibly flounced rustic?
2) lesser yellow underwing
3) CMC
4) common/smoky wainscot
5) looks like twin-spot quaker - when did you see it?

Surreybirder · Oct 4, 2006

7) large yellow underwing
8) square-spot rustic

Surreybirder · Oct 4, 2006

11) lesser yellow underwing
15) square-spot rustic.

I've left a few for others

ken

Angus T · Oct 4, 2006

Surreybirder said:
My guesses would be:
1) not sure -- possibly flounced rustic?
2) lesser yellow underwing
3) CMC
4) common/smoky wainscot
5) looks like twin-spot quaker - when did you see it?

Before I start, if at least a month is given, would make things more straight forward, not to mention size.

1) Mottled Rustic
2) lesser yellow underwing
3) CMC
4) With the sharp apex, I'm suggesting Southern Wainscot
5) twin-spot quaker

Angus T · Oct 4, 2006

Surreybirder said:
7) large yellow underwing
8) square-spot rustic

7) large yellow underwing
8) Clouded Drab
9) Clouded Drab
10) Possible Clouded Drab

Angus T · Oct 4, 2006

Surreybirder said:
11) lesser yellow underwing
15) square-spot rustic.

I've left a few for others
ken

11) lesser yellow underwing
12) lesser yellow underwing
14) Clouded Drab
15) Rustic Shoulder-knot

Still left a couple...

Surreybirder · Oct 4, 2006

Well at least two of the ones I got wrong are ones I've never seen!
Ken

martin kitching · Oct 4, 2006

Angus T said:
Before I start, if at least a month is given, would make things more straight forward

Sorry about that. Thought about adding month and then completely forgot.
Will also take photos with a rule in shot from now on.

Anyway;

1) early Sep
2) early Aug
3) mid Sep
4) mid Jul
5) early Apr
6) early Aug
7) mid Jul
8) early Apr
9) early Apr
10) early Apr
11) late Aug
12) late Aug
13) early Sep
14) late Apr
15) mid Jun

HTH
cheers
martin

martin kitching · Oct 5, 2006

My best guesses for the two that ID hasn't been suggested for yet;
6) Dotted Clay
13) Small Square-spot/Square-spot Rustic? (I actually think it looks more like the Neglected Rustic in my field guide but I suspect that would be very unlikely in my garden).

Looking at all of these again, I can see why the LesserYU's are what they are. The LargeYU should have been obvious as well although it was the blue colouration that threw me. Haven't seen one that colour either before or since.

Clouded Drab is a new one for my list, as is Rustic Shoulder-knot. If 6) is a Dotted Clay that would be a new one for me as well. Can the Wainscot be positively ID'd or does the hindwing need to be seen as well?

cheers
martin

Brian Stone · Oct 5, 2006

No 6 looks like another Yellow Underwing to me, probably comes again.

Less sure about no 13 but that could be a Yellow Underwing too.

martin kitching · Oct 5, 2006

brianhstone said:
No 6 looks like another Yellow Underwing to me, probably comes again.

Hi Brian

Don't the very distinct markings near the tip of the forewing rule out comes ?

martin

MikeWall · Oct 5, 2006

brianhstone said:
No 6 looks like another Yellow Underwing to me, probably comes again.

Less sure about no 13 but that could be a Yellow Underwing too.

#13 is presumably a Lesser Yellow Underwing - definitely not a Neglected Rustic.

Brian Stone · Oct 5, 2006

martin kitching said:
Hi Brian

Don't the very distinct markings near the tip of the forewing rule out comes ?

martin

More likely Large (pronuba) then. It's presumably at a very odd angle.

Surreybirder · Oct 5, 2006

I think Angus is right on southern wainscot, though I've never seen one. I believe that the 'ruff' on the 'forehead' is diagnostic. What do others think?
Ken

martin kitching · Oct 5, 2006

Surreybirder said:
I think Angus is right on southern wainscot, though I've never seen one. I believe that the 'ruff' on the 'forehead' is diagnostic. What do others think?
Ken

Southern Wainscot would be a new species for Northumberland! I've attached another view of the same moth, as well as images of three other wainscots taken the following day, one week later and 11 days later. I assumed the other three were Common Wainscot although now I'm not so sure.

cheers
martin

MikeWall · Oct 5, 2006

martin kitching said:
Southern Wainscot would be a new species for Northumberland! I've attached another view of the same moth, as well as images of three other wainscots taken the following day, one week later and 11 days later. I assumed the other three were Common Wainscot although now I'm not so sure.

cheers
martin

Looks like Smoky.

Surreybirder · Oct 5, 2006

I am not at all sure. Brian has some good pix at - http://thenaturalstone.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_thenaturalstone_archive.html
where the 'parting' looks a lot more pronounced than on yours, Martin. And one or two of your other ones look to have at least a hint of it.
Ken

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