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Sparrowhawk or goshawk?

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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 14:35   #1
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Sparrowhawk or goshawk?

I hope I am not boring you. Such a classical debate...

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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 14:48   #2
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Eurasian Sparrowhawk.
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 14:50   #3
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that's a good one:
not huge bodied, rather slender
barred secondaries...
and still a Goshawk, my guess is a younger adult male:
bulging secondaries
inner secondaries (tertials) unbarred
huge feet
densily barred below
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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 14:57   #4
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A second, and last picture, much worse than the first one:

The query was posted in another Spanish forum and there was not an unanymous agreement.

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Old Monday 14th September 2020, 17:16   #5
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Are the tail bands ever considered in Goshawk vs. Sparrowhawk? In the US, goshawks often have much more "wavy" tail bands than Sharp-shinned and Cooper's Hawk. The bird in question seems to show quite wavy bars.

Does Sparrowhawk share this feature? I do note, however, that even in the US it's not a foolproof ID point.
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Are the tail bands ever considered in Goshawk vs. Sparrowhawk? In the US, goshawks often have much more "wavy" tail bands than Sharp-shinned and Cooper's Hawk. The bird in question seems to show quite wavy bars.

Does Sparrowhawk share this feature? I do note, however, that even in the US it's not a foolproof ID point.
there is a difference indeed but best seen from above where you also can see a white bordering of the tail bars not present in Sparrowhawk
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Thank you Tom, quite informative.
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that's a good one:
not huge bodied, rather slender
barred secondaries...
and still a Goshawk, my guess is a younger adult male:
bulging secondaries
inner secondaries (tertials) unbarred
huge feet
densily barred below
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there is a difference indeed but best seen from above where you also can see a white bordering of the tail bars not present in Sparrowhawk
Interesting. Thanks for the correction!
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that's a good one:
not huge bodied, rather slender
barred secondaries...
and still a Goshawk, my guess is a younger adult male:
bulging secondaries
inner secondaries (tertials) unbarred
huge feet
densily barred below
I had it as Gos too, before reading Toms post.
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