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2016 UK Orchids (7 Viewers)

Would really appreciate any updates on the current stage of dark red, dune and lindisfarne helleborines. Am hoping to plan a bit better this year and get time off work to be able to go and see them.

Many thanks

Hi Gareth

Lindisfarne Helleborines are two weeks away from flowering. Andrew, the senior warden, is happy to take calls and will update potential visitors. It sometimes take a day or two for him to call you back, 01289 381470.


If you are on Twitter, check out @ukorchids, "Orchid Records UK" where there are updates on various species as they come in.
 
Had a look yesterday, there are two small plants next to the fence at the bottom, one has been chomped at the top and the other doesn't look like it's going to flower.

Couldn't see any signs of flowering plants through my 300mm lens but it's possibly a bit early. I've seen flowering plants as late as 15/07 before.

There has been quite a bit of clearance outside the cage which could be a sign of desperate measures as I think only one plant flowered last year, but it does mean there's a bit more light for those long distance shots should anything flower. I guess it will also be worth checking outside the cage in case the improved light tempts any long dormant plants in to action.

The three flowering plants this year were, by last weekend, reduced to one by mollusc damage. That singleton was still in bud last Sunday, and bent over, so not visible from outside the compound unless you knew exactly where it was.

Access into the compound is very limited because of risk of trampling the non-flowering plants.

It is a bad year for RH because of the wet summer, many have succumbed.

None in Hampshire, but there is a guided walk to see the single flowering Buckinghamshire plant on Monday 4th July at 1pm, pre-booking required though.
 

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Alyn Waters

Visited today. Pleased to report that the Gwersyllt side has far more Dune Helleborines in bud than in previous years, with just a few in flower already!
At the same location we also noticed some Bees mainly well gone over, but in an area we had not noticed them before. Numerous CSO's, Common Twayblades mainly in flower and one Pyramidal, which we have not seen in this location before. Definitely worth a visit.

On the Llay side things were much less well on. The Dunes still in tight bud, GFH likewise. We have in the past always recommended visitors to explore the Llay side as it is far less busy, but this year we recommend the Gwersyllt side at this stage.

Martin and Elaine
 
Visited today. Pleased to report that the Gwersyllt side has far more Dune Helleborines in bud than in previous years, with just a few in flower already!
At the same location we also noticed some Bees mainly well gone over, but in an area we had not noticed them before. Numerous CSO's, Common Twayblades mainly in flower and one Pyramidal, which we have not seen in this location before. Definitely worth a visit.

On the Llay side things were much less well on. The Dunes still in tight bud, GFH likewise. We have in the past always recommended visitors to explore the Llay side as it is far less busy, but this year we recommend the Gwersyllt side at this stage.

Martin and Elaine

Thanks for that Martin. We haven't really explored that side before. Did you look at the area south of the visitor centre?
 
Please can you help is this atypical SMO or NMO or hybrid

Found this in West Pembrokeshire Castlemartin ,leaves unspotted amongst many pure SMO but very diamond shaped lip colour more like SMO I think but would well welcome more expert iD? my call would be SMO but NMO is recorded here .
 

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Thanks for that Martin. We haven't really explored that side before. Did you look at the area south of the visitor centre?

Hi, Steve. Yes the productive area is at the back of the visitor centre. We were delighted with the considerable increase in numbers of DH this year - less evident at the moment on the Llay side.

Martin
 
Found this in West Pembrokeshire Castlemartin ,leaves unspotted amongst many pure SMO but very diamond shaped lip colour more like SMO I think but would well welcome more expert iD? my call would be SMO but NMO is recorded here .

I agree with your call, must admit I wouldn't give it a second glance if it was amongst our local SMOs.

I would have expected a NMO to be flat topped with reddish markings on the lip.

Rich M
 
The three flowering plants this year were, by last weekend, reduced to one by mollusc damage. That singleton was still in bud last Sunday, and bent over, so not visible from outside the compound unless you knew exactly where it was.

Access into the compound is very limited because of risk of trampling the non-flowering plants.

It is a bad year for RH because of the wet summer, many have succumbed.

None in Hampshire, but there is a guided walk to see the single flowering Buckinghamshire plant on Monday 4th July at 1pm, pre-booking required though.

Yes I was able to see one just coming in to flower this evening, was just able to spot it with the naked eye and get a near passable shot with a 300mm lens.

One of the two non-flowering plants by the bottom fence from last weekend, had also disappeared, also got by the slugs I would think. Any idea on the numbers of non-flowering plants this year? There used to be a few more by the lower fence but I think there was a bit of a landslip a few years ago. Also they used to be easier to see when they were marked

Was lucky enough to be allowed in the cage with Rob the NE Warden in 2013 when there were 6 or 7 in flower. Back then they were suffering with the lack of rain and heat, so it's easy to see why they are on the brink. At the time he mentioned an ongoing project with Kew to attempt to grow from seed in the lab and reintroduce them in some of the woods around Stroud where they used to be found. Don't know if any progress has been made on that?
 
Was lucky enough to be allowed in the cage with Rob the NE Warden in 2013 when there were 6 or 7 in flower. Back then they were suffering with the lack of rain and heat, so it's easy to see why they are on the brink. At the time he mentioned an ongoing project with Kew to attempt to grow from seed in the lab and reintroduce them in some of the woods around Stroud where they used to be found. Don't know if any progress has been made on that?

The Red Helleborine Restoration Group are working on that. I gave the warden of the Bucks site (part of the RHRG) a tour of the NHM herbarium to look at the red helleborine specimens and thus gather information of their former haunts. They were fairly well distributed through the Cotswolds about 100 years ago to the extent that I'm sure they are still lurking elsewhere.

Mike
 
Oxon sites

Marsh helleborine well out at Dry Sandford Pits, with more to come.

Aston Riwant pyramidals galore, at least five violet helleborine a week or two away from flowering.

Lewknor copse four narrow lipped helleborine spikes more robust and more numerous than last year's two, plus a broad leaved helleborine, all a week or two from flowering. Promising increase in NArrow lipped at this tiny but interesting woodland site.
 
Visited today. Pleased to report that the Gwersyllt side has far more Dune Helleborines in bud than in previous years, with just a few in flower already!
At the same location we also noticed some Bees mainly well gone over, but in an area we had not noticed them before. Numerous CSO's, Common Twayblades mainly in flower and one Pyramidal, which we have not seen in this location before. Definitely worth a visit.

On the Llay side things were much less well on. The Dunes still in tight bud, GFH likewise. We have in the past always recommended visitors to explore the Llay side as it is far less busy, but this year we recommend the Gwersyllt side at this stage.

Martin and Elaine

Took my chance to visit this side today and was well impressed, especially with the Bees. Over 40 seen with some well established (like 9 flowers) and a couple of rather odd individuals; could these be belgarum, or just deformed/nibbled? We actually found a swarm of some 50+ Pyramidals. Like you, we hadn't seen these at Alyn Waters before. Seems odd that there are still a few Bees in flower while Dunes are starting to open. Thousands (literally) of Common Spotted which were almost a distraction! Thanks for the tip-off Martin.

Steve
 

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Took my chance to visit this side today and was well impressed, especially with the Bees. Over 40 seen with some well established (like 9 flowers) and a couple of rather odd individuals; could these be belgarum, or just deformed/nibbled? We actually found a swarm of some 50+ Pyramidals. Like you, we hadn't seen these at Alyn Waters before. Seems odd that there are still a few Bees in flower while Dunes are starting to open. Thousands (literally) of Common Spotted which were almost a distraction! Thanks for the tip-off Martin.

Steve

Glad you had a good visit, Steve. Yes, things are much improved on the Gwersyllt side. I have generally in the past discouraged people from going to this side as it can be overrun with people and dogs, but it is well worth it at the moment. Interesting what you say about the Bees, as we had also wondered about belgarum. Also surprising to see the Pyramidals for what I am pretty sure is the first time.

Martin
 
Took my chance to visit this side today and was well impressed, especially with the Bees. Over 40 seen with some well established (like 9 flowers) and a couple of rather odd individuals; could these be belgarum, or just deformed/nibbled?
Steve

Not belgarum, just mutants.

Rich
 
Not belgarum, just mutants.

Rich

Belgarums are mutants. but I know what you mean Rich and agree. Perhaps best to say 'aberrations' as whether the cause is inherited or acquired is unknown. Could be virus, aphid or similar, or weather at a critical point in the flower development.
 
Aston Rowant pyramidals galore, at least five violet helleborine a week or two away from flowering.

Froggies a-jumpin' on Bald Hill, too (is that a pollinator in the third shot??). Most CSO going over, but a var albiflora still in reasonable shape at the weekend. Nice stand of musk at Grangelands today.
ian
 

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Froggies a-jumpin' on Bald Hill, too (is that a pollinator in the third shot??). Most CSO going over, but a var albiflora still in reasonable shape at the weekend. Nice stand of musk at Grangelands today.
ian

Lovely shots Ian. I especially like the frogs!

Mike
 
Froggies a-jumpin' on Bald Hill, too (is that a pollinator in the third shot??). Most CSO going over, but a var albiflora still in reasonable shape at the weekend. Nice stand of musk at Grangelands today.
ian

Great Frogs.

The all-green form is stunning. If that was on Bald Hill, that is a second site in Oxfordshire.
 
Red Helleborine update:

This year, at two sites, seven plants flowered (four in Bucks, three in Gloucs), but only one remains at each site.

The Bucks plant is quite pathetic, having five flowers (it was the weediest one of the four, but managed to escape the molluscs), the bottom one already browning, the top two in bud still.

The guided walk does not allow visitors into the fenced area to see the plant, so photographs had to be taken from 15 feet distance outside.

The Gloucs one is one of approximately 25 plants in the compound this year. The maximum they have had there (flowering and non flowering) is c40. The Chilterns ones are in a very small patch, with no plants having appeared outside of this area for a number of years (there used to be a couple under a nearby tree). All of those plants are clones of the same parent, so its presence here is very precarious. Shortly after its discovery there were c60 flowering spikes here.

Hampshire site has had no records of flowering or non flowering plants since 2007.

My advice to those wishing to see RH in this country - it isn't really worth it. The experience is not a good one, seeing poor quality plants from a distance in zoo-like conditions.

No proper scientific study has ever been carried out on the exact requirements for the species, and while the RH project is well meaning, there are too many unknowns and too little time to save it IMHO.

Funding has run out for Kew to develop propagation methods, so this will not be another Lady's Slipper.

There are parallels between this species and my pet, the Ghost, if I don't find one of those by 2020 I'm officially giving up looking!!

Still, at least they are being replaced by northward moving species like Sawfly Orchid.
 
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