Acrocephalus Warbler ID, China (2 Viewers)

[xuky.summer]

My friend took two strange Warbler in Shandong province today.
1 2 same bird, a Oriental Reed Warbler? the lateral crown and supercilium are very like Manchurian Reed Warbler,may be a juv?
3-5 same bird, a Blunt-winged Warbler with very long supercilium?

Thank you very much!

xuky

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

xuky,
I am thinking that 1 & 2 are a worn Black-bowed Reed Warbler. Like this one in Japan, also in June.

http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=42&Bird_ID=1793&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1&Location=

And the second bird 3-5 is a worn Manchurian Reed Warbler. BWW has a yellow gape, your bird is rather bright orange.

 

[xuky.summer]

Hi Grahame
Thank you, two questions，
The bill of first bird seems to thick for a Black-bowed, another image.
The breeding grounds of Manchurian is vary far from my location

 

[rockfowl]

xuky,
I am thinking that 1 & 2 are a worn Black-bowed Reed Warbler. Like this one in Japan, also in June.

http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=42&Bird_ID=1793&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1&Location=

And the second bird 3-5 is a worn Manchurian Reed Warbler. BWW has a yellow gape, your bird is rather bright orange.

The second I think is actually a Blunt-winged, structure and general colouration. I suspect the rather harsh light is affecting the true colour/saturation Grahame, often the case in Eastern China's regular haze - http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=11&Bird_ID=1786&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1&Location=

 

[rockfowl]

Can't help thinking the first looks like a rather small billed Oriental Reed. Thick pinkish toned bill and rather heavy blue grey legs.

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Re the second bird , clearly either Blunt-winged or Manchurian. I realise it is well out of (breeding) range but presumably not impossible. My problem is the colour of the gape which is quite clearly pinkish-orange, in BWW it is bright yellow.


http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=10&Bird_ID=1786&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1&Location=

 

[rockfowl]

Re the second bird , clearly either Blunt-winged or Manchurian. I realise it is well out of (breeding) range but presumably not impossible. My problem is the colour of the gape which is quite clearly pinkish-orange, in BWW it is bright yellow.


http://orientalbirdimages.org/search.php?p=10&Bird_ID=1786&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1&Location=

Certainly not impossible Grahame, many of the distribution maps for a number of species need re-doing, not enough breeding bird records due to a lack of observers. I do think the light is a factor here though. Corrected my initial link, internet playing up for some reason but that Hebei bird could look rather orange at certain angles.

 

[xuky.summer]

Thank you again!

 

[xuky.summer]

My friend went to the same place today, not sure if it was the same as the previous one.
long pp, may be a Oriental Reed Warbler with pale legs and slim bill?

 

[Iraq Babbler]

The last looks ok for ORW.

Omar

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

I agree, definitely Oriental Reed Warbler.

 

[xuky.summer]

Thank you!