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Best Alpha Glass for Low Light? (1 Viewer)

I guess Steiner stopped making the ShadowQuest because of lack of sales. To me was not a very pleasant glass to use, while I love the porro 8X50/56 in general - I have a few, the Shadowquest is a one and done glass.
If one wants a large 56 the SLCs are still available in 8 and 10X56 in the US.
 
Hi,

since the original poster is 50 something I would rather go higher magnification than very large (and probably not fully usable) exit pupil.

A 10x50 or 10x56 pair will probably offer the best performance if it still can be held steady enough. Otherwise some 8x42 or 8x50 pair...

Joachim
 
Hi,

since the original poster is 50 something I would rather go higher magnification than very large (and probably not fully usable) exit pupil.

A 10x50 or 10x56 pair will probably offer the best performance if it still can be held steady enough. Otherwise some 8x42 or 8x50 pair...

Joachim
You're correct because a 10x56 will have a better Twilight Factor than an 8x56. You will see more detail in low light than an 8x56, and if you are over 60 the 8x56 won't be much brighter.
 
I think it might be useful if the original poster could tell us (a) what size/species of bird he is typically after (sparrow size, thrush size, pigeon size etc), (b) typical distance and terrain, and perhaps most important, (c) how dark it will be and for how long. Watching eg. shorebirds in an open environment on a bright clear morning at dawn, with the light improving with every minute, will be different to trying to find something really crepuscular in wooded terrain in rapidly failing light.

If it's critical to be able to watch on as long as possible after sunset, the binocular you will need could be quite different to what would be fine if you needed to cope with only say 10 to 15 minutes of difficult light in the early morning.
 
Yes, if you can use the large exit pupil, the 56's are actually noticeably brighter than any 42's.

The Swarovski SLC 8x56 is also the brightest binoculars I know.
The Zeiss HT 8x54 is said to be just as bright and a bit more compact.

I have both 8x42 SF and the 10x54 HT and the latter is noticeably brighter. It's absolutely amazing. In moonlight only you can see things that you just can't with 42mm.
They impressed me so much that I am dumping all of my 42mm objective binoculars. I think an ideal all around binocular might be 10x50. From any brand. 10x50 EL, or 10x50 Leica. Zeiss apparently doesn't make such a beast.

The main virtue of a 8x42, by any brand, is weight and compactness. Not low light performance. Try a 8x42 next to a 50mm or 54mm or 56mm and you see what I mean.
 
I have both 8x42 SF and the 10x54 HT and the latter is noticeably brighter. It's absolutely amazing. In moonlight only you can see things that you just can't with 42mm.
They impressed me so much that I am dumping all of my 42mm objective binoculars. I think an ideal all around binocular might be 10x50. From any brand. 10x50 EL, or 10x50 Leica. Zeiss apparently doesn't make such a beast.

The main virtue of a 8x42, by any brand, is weight and compactness. Not low light performance. Try a 8x42 next to a 50mm or 54mm or 56mm and you see what I mean.
I completely understand a lighter platform like 8x32 for mid day glassing/hiking. I eventually want an alpha 8x32/42 in my stable.
but for my dusk/stationary needs I'm gonna give the SLC 8x56s a shot. it's hard to find a bad review on the SLCs.
 
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Is there a significant age of 8x56/10x56 SLC binoculars or the 8x54/10x54 HT binoculars at which they are not that good anymore? Or the model is to old in comparison with newer SLC or HT models?
 
believe the SLC HD is the older model that was replaced by the SLC WB #SWA58253 that is currently manufactured. even back to 2012 its hard to find a bad x56 SLC review. i'll defer to Swaro aficionados on here with more knowledge on this subject
 
I completely understand a lighter platform like 8x32 for mid day glassing/hiking. I eventually want an alpha 8x32/42 in my stable.
but for my dusk/stationary needs I'm gonna give the SLC 8x56s a shot. it's hard to find a bad review on the SLCs.
Don't discount the Zeiss FL 8x56 t*. Some on this forum have them as one of the best optics ever made.
Henry Link is a huge fan. Just put Zeiss 8x56 into the search on here.
I have some and they are exceptional. Really quite something.
 
Don't discount the Zeiss FL 8x56 t*. Some on this forum have them as one of the best optics ever made.
Henry Link is a huge fan. Just put Zeiss 8x56 into the search on here.
I have some and they are exceptional. Really quite something.
They are an excellent glass, however quite rare to find today.
 
I’ve been reading many of your discussions. you guys sure know glass.

I’ve always had avg binocs but I figured I’ve worked long and hard enough that it’s time for a big upgrade.

Before I start testing I’d appreciate suggestions for an Alpha binocular in 42 that’s fantastic in low light dawn/dusk. Most of my viewing will be in stationary and close range within 150 yards. Thanks in advance!
Hi, Your Raginess,

Sorry I'm late.

As a new member—welcome, by the way—I would just like to make you aware that in order to best answer your questions, you will (OVER TIME) have to provide more of YOUR needs and opinions for your respondents to sink their teeth into. ‘What aperture? What magnification? What’s you budget? are key questions. But ... steady as you go. Your decision is not a life or death matter.

To answer it accurately is to offer the personal opinions of as many observers as asked. Thus, your question could be answered by a FEW HUNDRED models. There are many fine instruments out there at most price—points. There were no .... “ALPHAS” until some observers had to have something new to talk about. I estimate the basis of binocular forums is about 30 to 1 opinion versus fact. So, here are a few of mine:

1. I had the, now legendary, Nikon 8x32 SE long before it was given “ALPHA” status. In those days, it was just a very good binocular at a very good price. It is in my closet—in pristine condition—awaiting to be an inheritance gift.

MY everyday birding binocular is a Bausch & Lomb 8x40 Legacy. Also in pristine condition, it was bought on eBay for about $30. I have it on authority that the birds don’t actually care. It’s about YOUR enjoyment! For some folks, that comes down the view; for others it’s bragging rights, which can be an endless pit of eternal “UPGRADES.” You must decide.

2. You have been given lots of very good choices.

3. For now, be conservative with your money and hang on to the big bucks at this juncture. Buy any reasonably priced binocular and USE IT FOR A YEAR, keeping your eyes and ears open to learn all you can about real world optical basics.

4. After a year of research, buy with confidence, knowing no matter what you buy there will be those who will treat you as a brother and others who will scoff at you for not buying what they said you should buy.

5. You mentioned “low light.” Too many observers place too much emphasis on AR (anti-reflective coatings) without considering the contributions of baffling, edge blackening, absorption into glass, glass types, number of elements, prism types, prism size, the size of the field stops, the position of the field stops, the knife-edge on the field stops, imprecise curvatures and spacings, and a few other details. Many observers don’t consider these things, so it must be the AR coatings ... right? Besides, that's what the manufacturers and importers have told them.

Fact is, all else being of equal quality, APERTURE IS KING! A 35mm binocular with the most modern multi-coatings is not going to gather as much light as a 50mm binocular with the traditional magnesium fluoride coatings.

Some Birdforumers get annoyed with my verbosity, so I’ll crawl back into my hole, now.
 
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They are an excellent glass, however quite rare to find today.
I put mine up for sale briefly, but that view is just so addictive!!
I've let too many good optics go in the past, and thought (on the advice of members here) I would probably regret that one.
What astounds me with them, is that they are simply unfazed by any sort of light.... what I mean by that is bright sunshine, miserable grey days, looking towards the sun, low level sun, or whatever..... they just perform.
Big and heavy...... but no compromise(y)
 
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Ace Optics have a second hand Swaro 8x56 SLC, and a second hand Zeiss FL 10x56...
May be worth a look for the OP.
They will both sell for not too much loss if they are not right, possibly a better option than spending on new right now??
 
Yes they (FL) are both excellent glass, likely the best 8 or 10X56s performing against ghosting, glare etc. These have been my observations at night.
 
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Is there a significant age of 8x56/10x56 SLC binoculars or the 8x54/10x54 HT binoculars at which they are not that good anymore? Or the model is to old in comparison with newer SLC or HT models?
For 56mm SLC, the turning point is the change to AK prisms. Shorter length, more eye relief and better optics overall.

Review here:


The binoculars themselves are not named HD, so you have to check by length and prisms, or serial number.
 
Fact is, all else being of equal quality, APERTURE IS KING! A 35mm binocular with the most modern multi-coatings is not going to gather as much light as a 50mm binocular with the traditional magnesium fluoride coatings.

So there it is. Objective size rules. For me, nothing less than 42mm in the past and from now, won't buy anything less than 50mm. My favorite is Zeiss 10x54 HT. What an amazing low-light performance.
 
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