Black eared Wheater in Devon (1 Viewer)

[DEREK CHARLES]

Hello Peter,
Many thanks for showing this bird to E.N.Panov, his opion certainly counts in this debate. However i would like to know his reasons for his decision so that we can all understand why he reached this conclusion.

All the best

derek

 

[CAU]

Hi Rob,

I would think E.N.Panov is probably about the best person you could possibly ask about this particular bird. Not only is he a leading light on the Oenanthe Sp. but he has spent countless hours, weeks, months studying both Pied and eastern BEW in the field. I have considerable experience, but not for some while now with these two species, I am concentrating on my namesake and BEW (Spain). I am more than happy to accept Panov’s judgement and greater experience in this instance.

Hopefully I am not alone in accepting the man’s judgement for this bird?

I'm sure that Mr. Panov is a great expert on identifying wheatears, but generally I think that an id should be based on the features of the bird, not on the features of those who try to identify it. For example, it sometimes happens that different well-known experts give rather conflicting statements about the same bird. Therefore some explanation of the characters would be welcomed.

BTW, do you know if Mr. Panov agrees on the previous identfications of PW/EBW made in western Europe?

 

[rob stoff]

I'm sure that Mr. Panov is a great expert on identifying wheatears, but generally I think that an id should be based on the features of the bird, not on the features of those who try to identify it. For example, it sometimes happens that different well-known experts give rather conflicting statements about the same bird. Therefore some explanation of the characters would be welcomed.

BTW, do you know if Mr. Panov agrees on the previous identfications of PW/EBW made in western Europe?

or indeed whether he has studied them in November or primarily during the breeding season.

Rob

 

[scary-canary]

Suggest scary that you google E.N.Panov, should broaden the search and show you who he is and that's not a space scientist (although who knows he might have more than one string to his bow).:-O

He's an anagram of neon navvy peg

 

[Black Wheatear]

I'm sure that Mr. Panov is a great expert on identifying wheatears, but generally I think that an id should be based on the features of the bird, not on the features of those who try to identify it. For example, it sometimes happens that different well-known experts give rather conflicting statements about the same bird. Therefore some explanation of the characters would be welcomed.

BTW, do you know if Mr. Panov agrees on the previous identfications of PW/EBW made in western Europe?

Ouch! I hope he may view this thread again and seeing the remarks then might go into more detail. I am quite sure many would welcome the input to this thread.

Rob, not sure if you have read the works produced by Panov, but assume you haven't. It might be possible to obtain extracts via web searches.

 

[Jane Turner]

It strikes me that a good case can be made against both EBeW and PW... two species that hybridise as freely as say Hooded and Carrion Crow, though in a more limited zone of hybridisation. This might be a case where the cop out answer is actually the most likely one.