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Examples for explaining bird’s sexual selection by Demand-raising-beauty Theory (2 Viewers)

Your reasoning is that T. temminckii eats arthropods therefore it must eat grasshoppers (see evidence of this below). The other alternative is that T. temminckii must eat

martin

You have been suspecting if I am a real researcher or if I have researching ability, or if I have really published scientific papers. There are some Papers I puplished:
http://scholar.google.com.hk/scholar?start=0&q=color++vision+chenguang+lu&hl=zh-CN&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1
Can you understand any of them?
 
Morninglight, the fact that you've spent so much time explaining your theories is commendable, the fact that I've just spent my time reading them is lamentable. As a humble warehouse man with no scientific background I can't hope to debunk your carefully researched findings, in all honesty I'm not sure that I understand them at all. The fact that so many people who do appear to have a grasp of things appear a tad unenthusiastic about your claims could perhaps hint that a tad more research might be required before you publish anything.

Now I'm off to study a cloud photo, my wife claim's it's shaped like a monkey whereas I think it's more like a squirrel.

James.
 
Thank you for your reply.
I can also use Warren Baffet's answer.

According to the proponents of the Efficient Market Hypothesis, stock prices reflect all available information about companies and investors can’t beat the market indexes by stock picking. They say investors trying to find a secret formula are wasting their time because stock prices follow a random walk. Interestingly, this theory also implies that a monkey selecting stocks by throwing darts at a newspaper’s financial pages should perform as well as any star hedge fund manager.

Warren Buffett said: If most winners are monkeys who took Ben Graham’s course of value approach, you must ask why?

If those patterns radomly appear on any kind of birds, your metaphor will be right.
Actually, they are not random. A prawn-like beak only appear on the head of tufted puffin, rather than other bird species. If you know that tufted puffin, as one of thousand bird species, lives in the same area close to Alaska, and can dive into 200 feet depth underwater where prawns live, you will not think the pattern is randam like a piece of animal-like cloud.
 
The berrytree-like pattern only appeasr on the tails of peacock and peacok-pheasant. Both birds like eating berries. This is not random. I said earlier that if the berrytree-like pattern also appears on aquatic birds, my theory must be wrong.
 
Morninglight: you may be interested in my theories concerning plumage characteristics being responsible for birdsong.


My thesis is based on Olivier Messiaen's unpublished treatise: Conical bills and tonal metamorphasis of the Ivory-billed woodpecker (Campephilus principalis). In this work, the author's premise is that the shape of the bill predetermines the bird's call (described as a wailing booolsheet, booolsheet).
I have spent my life's work examining the more unusual bills in a range Aves. Of particular interest is the decurved nature of curlews, in particular that of the Slender-billed curlew Numenius tenuirostris. My thesis is that the shape and colour of this bird's bill predetermines it to produce a call describing that very shape. A decurved bill therefore should produce a decurved sound (i.e. one which falls in pitch). After much research in the town of Druridge (where this bird occurs in some numbers), I concluded that my thesis is true - the bird indeed has a falling call (yooooo-hoooo-eeer-iyam best describes it). Of greater significance is the fact that the call is a pure sine wave. If you examine the flanks of the bird, you will notice a sine-wave shape.

I hope you realise the significance of my discovery - which is very similar to your own. It is that a bird's plumage predetermines its call.
As a simple example, I offer for your perusal the Common Cuckoo Cuculus canorus. The enclosed image illustrates the obvious - that the bands on the birds flanks predetermines it to the well-known song (Cuck-oo, Cuck-oo). A spectral dimorphational analysis using advanced ideographic projection equipment (known as a Dimensional Array) provides a Janeway co-efficient (in simple terms, a sonogram) of 94%, which shows a pattern on the screen in exactly the same shape and contour of the lines on the bird's flanks.
As a fellow scientist, you will immediately be struck by the significance of my discovery. I can offer you any number of corollaries should you wish.

Peter
 

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Morninglight: you may be interested in my theories concerning plumage characteristics being responsible for birdsong.


My thesis is based on Olivier Messiaen's unpublished treatise: Conical bills and tonal metamorphasis of the Ivory-billed woodpecker (Campephilus principalis). In this work, the author's premise is that the shape of the bill predetermines the bird's call (described as a wailing booolsheet, booolsheet).
I have spent my life's work examining the more unusual bills in a range Aves. Of particular interest is the decurved nature of curlews, in particular that of the Slender-billed curlew Numenius tenuirostris. My thesis is that the shape and colour of this bird's bill predetermines it to produce a call describing that very shape. A decurved bill therefore should produce a decurved sound (i.e. one which falls in pitch). After much research in the town of Druridge (where this bird occurs in some numbers), I concluded that my thesis is true - the bird indeed has a falling call (yooooo-hoooo-eeer-iyam best describes it). Of greater significance is the fact that the call is a pure sine wave. If you examine the flanks of the bird, you will notice a sine-wave shape.

I hope you realise the significance of my discovery - which is very similar to your own. It is that a bird's plumage predetermines its call.
As a simple example, I offer for your perusal the Common Cuckoo Cuculus canorus. The enclosed image illustrates the obvious - that the bands on the birds flanks predetermines it to the well-known song (Cuck-oo, Cuck-oo). A spectral dimorphational analysis using advanced ideographic projection equipment (known as a Dimensional Array) provides a Janeway co-efficient (in simple terms, a sonogram) of 94%, which shows a pattern on the screen in exactly the same shape and contour of the lines on the bird's flanks.
As a fellow scientist, you will immediately be struck by the significance of my discovery. I can offer you any number of corollaries should you wish.

Peter

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It's all fun but I still think we need this kind of analysis tbh. History tells us that Science gets it all quite wrong sometimes. The arrogance of humankind is also fairly astounding ...

5000 years ago we thought everything was magic or part of Nature
500 years ago we thought everything was created
50 years ago we didn't really care, man
Currently we are 100% assured everything has evolved, and there's no room for anything else
In 50 years time we may be becoming more aware that as one of a set of parallel universes anything goes
In 500 years time of course we'll realise it's all part of a giant experimental joke
In 5000 years time we probably won't be around anyway, and the pinnipeds will go through the whole thing all over again.
 
Two days ago, my son shown me this page:
http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-11/ns_mej.html
I should have known it earlier.
Some one probably has reminded me Jacobs' research. I am sorry for neglect.
MERLE JACOBS and I have common discovery in some birds, but different theories about birds'colorful plumages and sexual selection.

Citing an article ( not a peer reviewed paper ) by an author that is deeply entrenched in Christian fundamentalist anti-Darwinism / anti-evolution ( Merle Jacobs was brought up in, 'educated' in and spent almost all his life working within the strictures of the Mennonite sect ) doesn't lend scientific credence to your argument. In fact, it's one more example of your refusal to use the scientific methodology that has stood both the test of time and many attempt to discredit it. Peter's ( JSB ) theory, above, has more relevance to reality than your attempts at "explaining' evolutionary development.
 
If those patterns radomly appear on any kind of birds, your metaphor will be right.
Actually, they are not random. A prawn-like beak only appear on the head of tufted puffin, rather than other bird species. If you know that tufted puffin, as one of thousand bird species, lives in the same area close to Alaska, and can dive into 200 feet depth underwater where prawns live, you will not think the pattern is randam like a piece of animal-like cloud.


The impression of a "prawn-like" beak is you imposing your[ requirements for your "theory" to be correct upon an aspect of a single species, while refusing to accept that other species of bird feed upon the same prey species as Tufted Puffin yet lack the "prawn-like" beak. This has been pointed out numerous times yet you continue to refuse accept that it indicates a glaring weakness in your proposition.
 
Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water, it seems that this old chestnut has been ressurected. I wonder how long it will last this time around?
 
Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water, it seems that this old chestnut has been ressurected. I wonder how long it will last this time around?

Chestnut? Well, it is the run-up to Christmas. ;)

Roast Tragopan with Grasshopper stuffing? Mmmm :eat:
 
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The wailing call of the Ivory-billed Woodpecker has sprung to mind quite a lot over the last few days.

It has ever been the burden of many great minds in the past to have their ideas dismissed or ridiculed by their peers only to achieve the respect and admiration of later generations. Equally a great deal of half-baked hokumhas also been put forward, masquerading as science but ignored by all except for the gullible. I think I know where I stand with this particular issue.

Tufted Puffins are one of three species of puffin found in the world, all have a similarly shaped beak. Prawns, rather surprisingly, do not comprise a significant proportion of their diet which is principally made up of fish, squid and zooplankton. Now I honestly tried very hard to make a connection between the beak of a puffin and a prawn or even a fish but could not see any similarity whatsoever, in fact to my eyes it bears as much resemblance to an octopus or a Dimetrodon as a to a prawn. I think if your theory is gain acceptanceyou may have to find a better example.

Forgive me for pointing this out but you don't appear to have answered any of the questions or challenges put forward by the dissenters, you've merely provided another flawed example to support your theory. I've yet to see a single bird put forward by yourself that makes me come close to accepting your theory but can think of many ( if not all ) that help to disprove it.

As I said in my previous post I do admire your determination in the face of widespread criticism but am afraid that you're backing the wrong pony, perhaps you can direct your energies in a more productive direction?

Please don't feel that you have to reply to my post as I very much doubt that I'll be contributing anymore to this thread but I wish you well with your efforts to convince the many doubters.

James.
 
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