Falco peregrinus pelegrinoides? (Canarian Island, Teneriffe) (1 Viewer)

[JarJar]

Hi there,

could this be Falco peregrinus (maybe) ssp. pelegrinoides?

Seen in Spain, Canarian Islands, Teneriffe, North-East of the Island, Coastline, Anaga near Roque Bermejo, 27. Mai 2021

Thanks a lot and best regards,
Christoph

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello Christoph,
I agree with you: its a Peregrine for me, too.
Leaving ssp-identification to others.

 

[JarJar]

Thanks a lot, Alexander!

 

[tconzemi]

Nowadays uniditentifiable
Mixture of population, only most extreme individuals still pure

https://digital.csic.es/bitstream/10261/45128/1/Rodriguez%20et%20al%202011%20Bull%20BOC.pdf

 

[nebli]

falco peregrinus pelegrinoides interesting question , subspecies overlap over several hundred kilometers, for example brookei genes are present in more than 60% of german birds that is several hundred kilometers from their mediterranean origin.
on photographs we can only appreciate the phenotype and nt the genotype so based on that element , your bird can savely been describe as pelegrinoides

 

[AStevenson]

More recent paper than the one Tom linked https://digital.csic.es/bitstream/10261/189839/1/JRR-17-96.pdf suggests things have got worse in terms of being identifiable with many escaped non- Barbary types taking over.

cheers, Andrew

 

[Patudo]

Nowadays uniditentifiable
Mixture of population, only most extreme individuals still pure

For what it's worth - I have only seen them on three islands (Tenerife, three or four locations; La Palma, two locations; La Gomera, three locations) but those I've been able to see at closer quarters (ie. colour distinguishable) have all looked recognizably like Barbarys to me - smaller than peregrines (females being approximately the size of a British peregrine tiercel), often giving the impression of being somewhat more sandy-coloured, and often flying with a quicker, sharper wingbeat. A couple of times I've been close enough to see distinct rufous colouration on their heads. I have not yet seen a bird that looked like a typical peregrinus peregrine to me - but to be fair I certainly haven't seen anywhere near as many individuals, in as many of the islands, as Beneharo has.

 

[Butty]

smaller than peregrines (females being approximately the size of a British peregrine tiercel)

... estimated by...?

 

[Owene]

I was out with a local tenerife conservationist who works with raptors last week and he seemed to think they are pretty much all hybridised now. We saw 6 I think and only one of them had features he considered close to what he was used to in earlier years and even that one had signs of hybridization