Female Common Redstart or Blackstart please ? (2 Viewers)

[MattG]

Merlin comes up with a Black Redstart but to me it's more browner than the greyer female Black Redstart so I think Common Redstart? Help please 🙏 Portugal 11/01/24

 

[Butty]

Yes, female-type common redstart. Too pale below for black redstart. Or I guess so... 🤔 - common redstart may be uncomfortably rare there in midwinter?? Maybe the flank is too dark for common redstart?

 

[Andy Adcock]

Blackstart, as per the title, is actually another species altogether.

 

[MattG]

Blackstart, as per the title, is actually another species altogether.

Sorry meant Black Redstart !!

 

[MattG]

Yes, female-type common redstart. Too pale below for black redstart. Or I guess so... 🤔 - common redstart may be uncomfortably rare there in midwinter?? Maybe the flank is too dark for common redstart?

Thanks for your thoughts Butty, much appreciated 🙏

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello,
I made the same mistake some time ago. And while I agree its a difficult picture as hues are much dependent on camera settings and light, its a Black Redstart imo.
Exact nougat and not caramellbuffish cream hues in the face and underparts are much better for Black Redstart and wrong for Common Redstart. Yummi!

 

[MattG]

Hello,
I made the same mistake some time ago. And while I agree its a difficult picture as hues are much dependent on camera settings and light, its a Black Redstart imo.
Exact nougat and not caramellbuffish cream hues in the face and underparts are much better for Black Redstart and wrong for Common Redstart. Yummi!

Thanks for your reply 👍

 

[THE_FERN]

Hello,
I made the same mistake some time ago. And while I agree its a difficult picture as hues are much dependent on camera settings and light, its a Black Redstart imo.
Exact nougat and not caramellbuffish cream hues in the face and underparts are much better for Black Redstart and wrong for Common Redstart. Yummi!

Yes I agree. I think common redstart would show a bit more "pop" to the different colours: would not appear so monochrome. Especially the brighter rufous tail, flanks, and whitish areas around the throat