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Female goshawk and mink (1 Viewer)

Did that mink escape? I wish I could inderstand it, it's a great vid. I'd say it happens whenever the Goshawk is hungry and there is a mick running around. The goshawk would definatly be capaple of killing one. They take Hare which can be up to four times heavier than mink.
 
I wouldn't want to be the Goshawk that didn't kill the Mink outright... This one did well to keep it subdued for so long.

Mink are powerful and capable of turning the tables. Mink take and kill prey well over four times their own body weight.

Looking at the video, the Mink may well have died later from its wounds due to infection.
 
yeah im sure the mink died later also very hard video to watch


yes when a hare or rabbit are attacked they are usually in shock and whats on their mind is just running away, they dont usually go into that furious fight mode that many predators go into when they get attacked

when a cat or a anything from the weasel family is attacked the death or injury of the attacked animal is usually on their mind! Which makes them much more dangerous. THe hawk is very lucky most minks would of attacked the hawk after they got free!
 
Is that goshawk young which is why its not quickly killing the mink???

Anyone know how often goshawks take minks?

Also anyone with experience on mink tell me the sex/age of that mink? I am guessing its an adult male?

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Yes its a young Goshawk,but a very well educated Gos as its seized the Mink with both feet on the head.Its not unusual for the pray to struggle for some time when caught by Accipiters as that lack the killing bite of a Falcon which is used to sever the spinal cord normally at the neck of the victim.Mink and other mustelids are very dangerous to hawks as the skin is very loose and a caught mustelid can easily turn in its own skin and bite legs and feet of the attacker,if you have ever handled Ferrets you will know how easy they can get out of your grip and bite you
 
nice find scuba! thats amazing to watch. minks are bigger than stoats right? in fact consideraby bigger judging this footage right? i dont know much about minks but im guessing they would not be easily subdued by birds of prey.

the goshawk has caught the mink very well. i wonder if this bird was a specialist mink hunter.

what are the largest and most dangerous prey items goshawks take both rarely and commonly?
 
Mink is on the same level as a goshawk

its 50/50 a mink can kill a goshawk or a goshawk can kill a mink

largest prey for a goshawk is a hare
 
Hare are probably the largest regular victims of the Female Goshawk but are far from easy they must be taken by the head or the Gos will get a good kicking which has been known to be fatal
 
yeah a hare has very very powerful hind legs and can kick off any hawk if it gets a chance

I think hawks have a special technique when catching and killing adult hares so they don't get booted off

Ive seen a hare boot off a snowy owl which is stronger then any hawk
 
The Goshawk will have been using pretty much the same technique it'd use with a hare but as someone pointed out, finding a lethal spot would have been tricky with a mink due to it being able to squirm about in its own skin. Mink fight as a matter of course in competition with other mink and have adapted to take superficial injuries by having very thick, loose skin to stop exactly the area the Goshawk would naturally go for being vulnerable. It's exactly the same as the loose scruff at the back of a dog's neck. If grabbed and shaken by this area the skin is the area damaged, not the spinal cord.

The Goshawk is probably confused why the prey is wriggling so effectively and is not dying easily via repeated pecks and rips to the back of the neck. It's really lucky it had such a good grip with its talons or it might have become lunch itself. It was also in the classic "got a tiger by the tail" conundrum.

It's not like the Goshawk will be having thoughts about it being a mink, it's the right size, on the ground and unaware, therefore it's potential prey. Instinct takes over... Goshawks are birds, not people, and don't think in the same way as we do. It might now imprint the shape and jizz of a mink on its brain as not worth the bother or it might have another go and become a Darwinian selection if it gets eaten next time. It's highly unlikely Goshawks would specialise as a mink-eater because it's just straight up too dangerous. This was probably a mistake by an inexperienced bird.
 
The Goshawk will have been using pretty much the same technique it'd use with a hare but as someone pointed out, finding a lethal spot would have been tricky with a mink due to it being able to squirm about in its own skin. Mink fight as a matter of course in competition with other mink and have adapted to take superficial injuries by having very thick, loose skin to stop exactly the area the Goshawk would naturally go for being vulnerable. It's exactly the same as the loose scruff at the back of a dog's neck. If grabbed and shaken by this area the skin is the area damaged, not the spinal cord.

The Goshawk is probably confused why the prey is wriggling so effectively and is not dying easily via repeated pecks and rips to the back of the neck. It's really lucky it had such a good grip with its talons or it might have become lunch itself. It was also in the classic "got a tiger by the tail" conundrum.

It's not like the Goshawk will be having thoughts about it being a mink, it's the right size, on the ground and unaware, therefore it's potential prey. Instinct takes over... Goshawks are birds, not people, and don't think in the same way as we do. It might now imprint the shape and jizz of a mink on its brain as not worth the bother or it might have another go and become a Darwinian selection if it gets eaten next time. It's highly unlikely Goshawks would specialise as a mink-eater because it's just straight up too dangerous. This was probably a mistake by an inexperienced bird.

Excellent analysis--I think you've got it just about right. Like you, I doubt if that particular Goshawk will be attacking a mink again any time some. As you say, win or lose, tackling prey that can put up that good a fight is just too dangerous for a solitary hunter.
 
wow.. what a video!

Ive never seen a goshawk, but ive seen mink a few times round here and theyre powerfull looking things.
Hope to see a goshawk someday, looks like a very capable bird, i remember seeing a video of one literally running through undergrowth to ambush a large rat or something similar.
 
Well maybe birds of prey think more in depth than we can understand. Maybe it did realise it was a mink but it thought it had an upper hand?

It's not like the Goshawk will be having thoughts about it being a mink, it's the right size, on the ground and unaware, therefore it's potential prey. Instinct takes over... Goshawks are birds, not people, and don't think in the same way as we do. It might now imprint the shape and jizz of a mink on its brain as not worth the bother or it might have another go and become a Darwinian selection if it gets eaten next time. It's highly unlikely Goshawks would specialise as a mink-eater because it's just straight up too dangerous. This was probably a mistake by an inexperienced bird.
 
I've only ever seen Goshawk and Mink interact once, and that was from that video and the Goshawk had the upper hand and the Mink did run off. Nobody can say for certain what would happen in any other circumstances as it must be a rare thing. You say it would be rare for a solitary hunter to attack another similarly sized hunter but that maybe true for the mink as well.
 
theres a book called the goshawk, cant remember who wrote it but one thing i remember reading in it was that goshawks did not like to eat Gulls...they were not keen on them and i think avoided them...

surely this would mean that birds of prey do not just see a creature which fits their prey range and attack....they must have "tastes" too....
 
Good point him

like here ive had red tails nesting by my house for the past 10 years they will catch a rabbit or a hare thats the same size of a cat but the hawks never go after cats and actually the two will often be found very close to each other
 
theres a book called the goshawk, cant remember who wrote it but one thing i remember reading in it was that goshawks did not like to eat Gulls...they were not keen on them and i think avoided them...

That's certainly not true, at least not in Finland. They actually very frequently hunt gulls at rubbish tips.
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