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[tittletattler]

Andy, you have to have an account on Windows Live (I presume).

Hiya chaps,

Try here:

http://birdingthedayaway.blogspot.com/

Definitely a Caspian. An eastern type bird perhaps?

Cheers, Andy.

 

[lou salomon]

Hiya chaps,

Try here:

http://birdingthedayaway.blogspot.com/

Definitely a Caspian. An eastern type bird perhaps?

Cheers, Andy.

quite a typical 'ponticus' type, andy. nothing to suggest an "eastern bastard". (cach x barabensis). chris gibbins mentioned in his december BB article that pure cachs from caspian sea (eastern range) look well like western birds and they assume that birds with more black in wing and solid subterminal band on p10 could be hybrids with barabensis (both sp. having expanded their range).
on the other hand even within western core populations there are birds with less white, more black in wing.

cheers

 

[tittletattler]

quite a typical 'ponticus' type, andy. nothing to suggest an "eastern bastard". (cach x barabensis). chris gibbins mentioned in his december BB article that pure cachs from caspian sea (eastern range) look well like western birds and they assume that birds with more black in wing and solid subterminal band on p10 could be hybrids with barabensis (both sp. having expanded their range).
on the other hand even within western core populations there are birds with less white, more black in wing.

cheers

Thanks Lou.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

A bird seen on January 5th (Herastrau). A rather dark iris and pinkish legs.

 

[lou salomon]

i see rel pale irides. strong head striation and large bill mark suggest a younger bird, so do the small mirrors and the pinkish feet. and of course it is without doubt a michahellis on primary pattern (and striation..).

 

[Cristian Mihai]

I agree it's a Yellow-legged Gull - maybe a 5cy?

 

[lou salomon]

probably.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Herastrau - January 5th

 

[lou salomon]

both looks like michahellis! (facial impression), but both with hellish pale underwings.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Yep the one in front is for sure a micha, probably the other one too.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Two shots taken on January 5th.

 

[lou salomon]

probably a 3rd and a 4th cycle (4cy and 5cy). it's quite interesting that in many 4th winter michs from your bucharest pics immaturity signs are still visible - others should be inseparable from older adults.

 

[lou salomon]

odd tertial pattern in advanced 1st summer mich

while uploading some of cristian's pics to the 2cy mich galleries i again stumbled over this odd advanced 1st summer mich: note especially its tertial pattern which in part is intermediate between 2nd and 3rd cycle:

http://lou.bertalan.de/gulls/m_phi.php?bid=1191&grp=michahellis 2cy july-december

note text!

(large resolution, pic only: http://lou.bertalan.de/gulls/pic/vh/up_1191.jpg)

and http://lou.bertalan.de/gulls/m_phi.php?bid=1192&grp=michahellis 2cy july-december

(large resolution, pic only: http://lou.bertalan.de/gulls/pic/vh/up_1192.jpg)

remember that most 1st summer michs look something like this: http://lou.bertalan.de/gulls/pic/vh/up_1186.jpg

the attached similar looking bird initially was aged as a very advanced 1st summer too but the replaced p5 seems to be adult like with large white tip making the bird a probable very retarded 3rd cycle (2nd summer) mich!



cheers

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Herastrau - January 8th - Sorry for the IQ.

 

[lou salomon]

nice well patterned pontic gull there, cris! it reminds me a bit of this (stuttgart, 23.1.2010)
yours is a quite worn bird, with that nice reddish hue in juv. coverts shown by the stuttgart bird also, contrasting to the grey scaps/black and white new coverts. and an example of a cach with rel. bold transversal marks on scaps. bill tip assymmetric pale (more on right side). and i'm sure it would cause some headache in england for instance

 

[Jane Turner]

Anyone have a clue on this - I was pretty sure it was a stumpy-ended LBBG until it opened its wings and had pale inner pps (not that anything was really pale on it, it looked uniform chocolate apart from those big white tertial edges which I assume are recently moulted). Bill was pink based and black tipped too.

Which left me with ever so dark argie as my best bet - though its not big. The vent was almost unmarked!

 

[lou salomon]

hi jane,

i'm not entirely sure yet but if it's a 1st cycle GC and TT pattern is totally wrong for a LBBG. and wings look short. now there are plenty of darkies among HG and that would account for the large TT crescent (which could belong to 2nd gen TT either...) odd are the plain dark slate and brown scaps! GC pattern strongly resembles that of a 2nd cycle large gull..
is that a 2nd cycle?-..at the moment stumped :smoke:

 

[Jane Turner]

When I trying to make it LBBG I'd decided that the tertials were 2nd cycle...

The scaps were completely plain. It stood out naked eye because it was so dark!

 

[tittletattler]

Anyone have a clue on this - I was pretty sure it was a stumpy-ended LBBG until it opened its wings and had pale inner pps (not that anything was really pale on it, it looked uniform chocolate apart from those big white tertial edges which I assume are recently moulted). Bill was pink based and black tipped too.

Which left me with ever so dark argie as my best bet - though its not big. The vent was almost unmarked!

Mmmm....

It has the feel of a LBBG.

These are the closest matches that I can find so far:

http://www.gull-research.org/lbbg2cyd/5414454dec.htm

http://www.gull-research.org/lbbg3cya/3cyjanpic01.htm

Cheers,

Andy.

 

[lou salomon]

shortish wings but might be a 2nd cycle LBBG.