Help with ID needed... Lahore, Pakistan (1 Viewer)

[niazakbar]

I need id help with these three birds.

Thanks

Niaz

 

[Jane Turner]

The first two are chats - Stonechat [eastern] and I'm guessing Pied Bushchat, though I've never seen one! Not sure how I'd ruleout Variable Wheatear without seeing some photos to get structure.

 

[Jane Turner]

And now I've seen photos, I'm thinking the white on the underside of the chat would be showing... so Variable Wheatear looks like a better guess.

http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/wt2_jp.jpg

Can't help you with the finchy thing I'm afraid beyond I suspect that it is a Munia

 

[wintibird]

Number 3 is an Indian Silverbill.

André

 

[Parker]

I'd agree with Jane on the first two,

1, Eastern Stonechat.
2, Variable Wheatear.

Neil.

 

[Jacana]

Agree with Andre, 3 is an Indian Silverbill

 

[birdboybowley]

2 is definitely Pied Bushchat (stay with yr instincts Jane!) - Variable Wheatear doesn't have white in the wing.....

 

[Jane Turner]

i can't see any white in the wing - the white SHOWING is utc's. The is an impression of white on approx where the tertials are, but this is actually caused by a blown up feather on the neck and the background showing.

 

[birdboybowley]

No, it's the white wing panel that's showing!!

 

[birdboybowley]

Here's the panel:

 

[Jane Turner]

whoops - didn't mean to shout showing! Hmm I've blown it up and I'm "not rightly sure". Still not convinced that's not the neck feathers ruffled up and a gap showing!

Can Pied Bushchat have black that low down?

 

[Jane Turner]

most seem to show white on the belly
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/bushchat_pied_2_aa.jpg
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/bushchat_pied_4_aa.jpg
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/pied_bushchat_malegsb.jpg
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/pied_bushchatss.jpg
(just a small selection)


Then again these don't
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/piedbushchatwithacatch.jpg
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/saxicola_caprata9am.jpg
http://orientalbirdimages.org/images/data/pied_bushchat_m_ak.jpg

 

[birdboybowley]

Yeah the ssp. in Lahore would be bicolour which has limited variable white reaching only just onto the lower belly and as the bird is pretty fluffed up the black is covering the white anyway. But it's the white in the wing that gives it away
NO WORRIES about the shouting....

 

[niazakbar]

thank you everybody. This post has been very informative. Thanks once again

Best Wishes

Niaz