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IN PRAISE OF THE SWAROVSKI 12X42 NL PURE (8 Viewers)

Grando

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I realise that a 12x isn't a replacement for a scope, but wonder if 12x NL owners find themselves visiting wetlands etc. with just their bins? I currently have a pair of 7s and feel a bit underpowered without a scope, but would love to ditch the tyranny of lugging around a tripod that I then never use! Would a pair of 12x NLs often negate the use of a scope do you think?
 

jcnguyen09

Well-known member
The question is will other binocular makers pick up on the forehead rest I think they will! It's not just the help it gives for a steady image, but, the way it positions the eyepieces to your eyes perfectly every time.
Pete.
Especially for the glasses wearers like me! I don't have to press the glasses into the eyecups and mess up my glasses position. It helps to give me the perfect eye placement every times. It is a pleasant, easy feeling and enjoyable much more while using the binoculars, even on the 8x power. For sure Swarovski would fight hard to keep this marvelous patent only on it's name, just like they found hard to keep the proprietary open-bridge EL style from Nikon EDG. Ironically they ended up with closed-bridge NL.
 

SUPPRESSOR

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England
I realise that a 12x isn't a replacement for a scope, but wonder if 12x NL owners find themselves visiting wetlands etc. with just their bins? I currently have a pair of 7s and feel a bit underpowered without a scope, but would love to ditch the tyranny of lugging around a tripod that I then never use! Would a pair of 12x NLs often negate the use of a scope do you think?
Sometimes only a scope will do,but, depends on the type of birding you do.I have sold mine,mostly to free myself of the faff of putting it up taking it down.in the boot out of the boot ,keeping a watchful eye on it on a windy day, all that mag all that heat haze. So far I have not missed it.,but, who knows.
Will my 12x42 bins be enough for the birding I do most of ,yes.
I was not needing a £3,000 scope to sit around most of the time doing nothing, different if you live somewhere with a view.
Pete.
 

jcnguyen09

Well-known member
I realise that a 12x isn't a replacement for a scope, but wonder if 12x NL owners find themselves visiting wetlands etc. with just their bins? I currently have a pair of 7s and feel a bit underpowered without a scope, but would love to ditch the tyranny of lugging around a tripod that I then never use! Would a pair of 12x NLs often negate the use of a scope do you think?
The 12x NL is perfect on the wetlands for me! The 339' FOV is wide enough and the 71 degree AFOV really makes the difference! and with the FRP, it is the best handheld able 12x powers for me! handheld able is probably the most valuable factor for me since I love to view the details of the birds, wildlives....Anything closed up said within 100', they are amazing! A long distance, it's better on the mono or tripod.
 

SUPPRESSOR

Well-known member
England
I realise that a 12x isn't a replacement for a scope, but wonder if 12x NL owners find themselves visiting wetlands etc. with just their bins? I currently have a pair of 7s and feel a bit underpowered without a scope, but would love to ditch the tyranny of lugging around a tripod that I then never use! Would a pair of 12x NLs often negate the use of a scope do you think?
I like to go out birding on my own and if I come across more than 3,people on a 3,hour walk I feel hard done by and not so easy with scope and tripod as soon as you put those legs up you have a crowd asking all sorts of questions and not always about birds.Had a great afternoon today only 1, person all afternoon in my local extensive woods.
As the wife puts it when I"m out on my bike(I am in blissful isolation) just how I like my birding so getting rid of my scope has freed me up in more ways than one and am no longer accosted by any Emmits.
 

rpg51

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Supporter
The power of the binos is 12x. The power of the scope is typically 25x to 60x. That is a major difference. Some situations the 12x will be all you need. Other situations you want the higher power. But yes, the scope involves a lot of futzing around and yes, it attracts a lot of attention that can get in the way sometimes.
 

tenex

reality-based
I realise that a 12x isn't a replacement for a scope, but wonder if 12x NL owners find themselves visiting wetlands etc. with just their bins?
I often do so with my 15x56, and even that can't really substitute for a scope, but I'm usually satisfied with it nonetheless as the best I can conveniently carry and hold. 12x wouldn't do it for me, just not significantly better than the 10x I normally carry. Then again, if you're accustomed to your 7x, you would find 12x a major improvement... and most people don't seem to find 15x handholdable, so there you are. Save your groschen.
 

rpg51

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Supporter
I too wonder about whether I will end up with my scope long term. I had a scope years ago and ultimately sold it because I never used it much. Hope that doesn't happen with this new scope I picked up. But, stuff has to get used or it will go down the road.
 

Maljunulo

Well-known member
I feel the same way, but I really hate to sell anything, so I have a difficulty.

If you have a decent scope you can't think of anything else to do with, take up double star chasing.

You will be surprised at the beauty of them.

Start with Mizar in the big dipper, one of the easiest.
 

SUPPRESSOR

Well-known member
England
I too wonder about whether I will end up with my scope long term. I had a scope years ago and ultimately sold it because I never used it much. Hope that doesn't happen with this new scope I picked up. But, stuff has to get used or it will go down the road.
Still not missing my scope and still most impressed with the 12x42's .Focused on a ringlet no more than 6.5 feet away just a lovely view.
I find the forehead rest gives the best results closer in, really steady views.

As far as DOF goes ,it's bound to be less than smaller magnifications ,but, so quick and easy with super smooth focuser to keep the view sharp.All in all just a state of the art binocular.

Pete.
 
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rpg51

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Supporter
I feel the same way, but I really hate to sell anything, so I have a difficulty.

If you have a decent scope you can't think of anything else to do with, take up double star chasing.

You will be surprised at the beauty of them.

Start with Mizar in the big dipper, one of the easiest.
Good suggestion. I got out tonight and had a nice look at Saturn.
 

Kiwimac

Active member
I have been interested to read this and other posts about the NL 12x.

I bought a pair of EL 8.5 x 42 about 4 months before the NL appeared. I was very impressed and have enjoyed using them around NZ. I was always slightly underwhelmed by the 'reach' though - many NZ birds are small. an 8.5x often does little to bring them much closer and allow you to see the detail. However a scope is obviously no good for following small bird behaviour!

I was always left wanting more. I have Leica 10x32 Ultravids (non HD) but I much prefer the 'picture' from my Swaros. Also the CA in the Leicas is so great that frankly they should be ashamed of themselves. It's put me off ever buying from their range again - although otherwise they are a fine, compact binocular.

I read as much as I could about the 12x then rang the dealer, who had one of each on his shelf (the advantage of being in NZ where the number of people prepared to pay that much is much smaller than the US or UK, perhaps!) so I took the plunge and ordered the 12. They should arrive early in the week together with the forehead rest. Due to C19 lockdown in Auckland (and the fact that Auckland is a 12 hour drive away!) trying them in the shop was not an option.

I may or may not keep the ELs; I will for a while just for the fun of comparing them, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I will like the NL 12 so much that the 8.5 will feel redundant.
 

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