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Tsingy Wood Rail on Madagascar is not visited by any tours, but requires "only" hiring a jeep and 24 hour drive on a track so bad that even a jeep repeatedly breaks down. Once you are in tsingy limestone outcrops, it is apparently easy even without any trek. Read Ross Gallardy black comedy report of Budgetbirders. Another one-of-a-kind landscape.
 
Yes, there are 2 elements her that are largely subjective - level of danger and level of effort required in your definition of an expedition rather than just tough birding.

Government travel advisories are generally highly conservative and often too general to reflect complexities on the ground. For example, a lot of us have probably been to Mindanao against government advice, and I still wonder whether the Bagan area of Burma is too insecure to consider visiting. I see a big distinction between travelling to areas where there are low-key local conflicts, and ones where tourists are active targets for attack (such as Sulu).

As for expeditions, if birds like Tsingy Wood Rail are under consideration, then there are plenty of other species that require a bit of suffering - some of the Philippine montane babblers for example.

Two species that I would remove are Pleske's Ground-Jay and Spectacled Flowerpecker. I've seen no evidence that Iran is a dangerous place to visit for regular tourists, and the Flowerpecker is a poorly-known canopy specialist which is seemingly widespread in Borneo and requires good luck to be in the right place at the right time. Green-faced Parrotfinch is similar in some respects. I'd be inclined to add Bornean Crestless Fireback in it's place.
 
Given visa requirements for UK (and US?) passport holders for visiting Iran, is it currently possible for UK (or US?) nationals to see Pleske’s Ground Jay?
Cheers,
James
 
Thanks for the ideas :) Regarding government advisories, I am just about to break one that gets apparently broken quite often, considering the reports I am reading (get closer than 50 kms to Yemen in KSA).

As for Iran, I understand that there are issues for US and UK passports? But for me for example it should be easy - and once there it's a very safe country.
 
Tsingy Wood Rail on Madagascar is not visited by any tours, but requires "only" hiring a jeep and 24 hour drive on a track so bad that even a jeep repeatedly breaks down. Once you are in tsingy limestone outcrops, it is apparently easy even without any trek. Read Ross Gallardy black comedy report of Budgetbirders. Another one-of-a-kind landscape.
I would say that Ross' Tsingy Wood Rail adventure was not very representative.
It was just one dot on a line / curve of people's experiences having tried to see this bird, and in his case, he was quite unlucky with the vehicle and didn't have good road conditions.

I have seen and photographed Tsingy Wood Rail back in Oct. 2012 and all it took was a sturdy vehicle and some better luck with the road conditions in the dry season. We had (only) 2 stretches of dirt (besides some parts requiring high clearance), and thus had an uneventful ride (hours of driving without seeing anything but agricultural, deforested landscape, save the occasional Malagasy Harrier and a party of Madagascar Sandgrouse on the road).

We were persuaded to do this trip as we skipped Sakalava Rail on purpose at Lac Kinkony a few days earlier, because Lily (our local guide) told us he had an alternative site close to Maintirano (which is only a couple of hours from the Tsingy site). So with this double whammy (Tsingy Wood Rail and Sakalava Rail) in mind, we were willing to go for it.

We first came down from Ankarafantsika (9 hrs drive) and spent the night in Tana as the car had to be repaired the next day (suspension issue).
So starting on day 1 in Tana, we drove 4hrs to Tsiroanomandidi in the afternoon and spend the night there (Tsiroanomandidi is about the last place with some decent infrastructure where you can stop, eat, spend the night before heading West).
On day 2, we departed early and drove 14 hours to Maintirano, passing by the Tsingy after 11 hours of driving, without giving it a try as it was already late in the day...! In other words: in the right road conditions and with a good vehicle and driver, you can reach the Tsingy area in 15 hours from Tana, but as there isn't any place to sleep, you would need a good car / good driver and camping equipment to increase efficiency of your time.

Our story didn't stop there... on day 3 (without ever seeing the coastline) we left Maintirano and thought we would have a shot at Sakalava rail on this day, and come back to Maintirano for the night. First we drove North for 1 hour with the 4x4, but to Lily's dismay and surprise, the first (smaller) river crossing was already too high to cross with the car. So after some arrangements were made, we took a small canoe across, and got onto the back of some offroad motorbikes. We were 5 so it took some time to arrange 5 motorbikes, and while Lily told us it was only a short distance to the Sakalava rail site, we had no clue where exactly it was and totally relied on the (young) drivers. We drove and we drove on dirtroads with our drivers seemingly getting lost from time to time, sometimes we didn't even follow a dirt road and went straight through the bush), only to stop and listen for other motorbikes nearby and trying to catch up...! From time to time, the sand was too loose and we crashed. My leg was almost under the motorbike, and that would not have been a great place to break one. There were a few river crossings on the way, one of them a fairly big river where the motorbikes had to go in a small and seemingly unstable canoe. After 4 hours on the back of a motorbike, with a backpack + camera I was the first to arrive in a small village. The local cafe in a little hut had the ghettoblaster at max. volume, and (to my surprise) cold beer...! I lost contact with the others half an hour before arriving, but surprisingly, my travel mates arrived one by one, with red dust on their faces and in dire need for some cold beer!
By that time it was already late in the afternoon, and the rail would have to wait for the next day. We were close to the lake but not just there yet, so we moved onto the research station closer to the lake. We had no sleeping bag nor mattress but brought a tent, so that night we slept on the ground in a 3-person tent with 5 people..!
The next morning, on day 4, we took a boat on the lake and duly saw the rail... I remember saying that whenever the Sakalava rail would be gone from Kinkony, world birders would be up to some real adventure trying to reach this lake!

So what about the Tsingy? First, we had to backtrack our way on the motorcycles to Maintirano. The next day (day 5) we left early, reached the Tsingy in the good early morning hours and duly saw the Rail going off the road some meters into the woods. Our driver, having rested in Maintirano while we were chasing Sakalava rail was in good shape and drove all the way to Tsiraomandidi that day. That's 15 hours of driving time...
On day 6 (having left Tana on day 1) we only had 4 hours of drive (Tsiraomandidi - Tana) left. So we invested 6 days to see 2 birds...!
But as said, the drive itself to the Tsingy rail site wasn't that bad, and in the dry season, it would take 3 days from/to Tana. The Sakalava rail was, at least for us, the real adventure.

I wrote a small trip report about this, photo of the rail included: Madagascar Trip Report 2012
 
Given visa requirements for UK (and US?) passport holders for visiting Iran, is it currently possible for UK (or US?) nationals to see Pleske’s Ground Jay?
Cheers,
James
Yeah, I alluded to this in an earlier post in this thread. Where you are from may mean some birds are viable for you that are not for others. I would use as a baseline citizens of the U.K/U.S.A./Canada: Can the normal person from these countries actually safely enter and leave the country?
 
Yes, there are 2 elements her that are largely subjective - level of danger and level of effort required in your definition of an expedition rather than just tough birding.

Government travel advisories are generally highly conservative and often too general to reflect complexities on the ground. For example, a lot of us have probably been to Mindanao against government advice, and I still wonder whether the Bagan area of Burma is too insecure to consider visiting. I see a big distinction between travelling to areas where there are low-key local conflicts, and ones where tourists are active targets for attack (such as Sulu).

As for expeditions, if birds like Tsingy Wood Rail are under consideration, then there are plenty of other species that require a bit of suffering - some of the Philippine montane babblers for example.

Two species that I would remove are Pleske's Ground-Jay and Spectacled Flowerpecker. I've seen no evidence that Iran is a dangerous place to visit for regular tourists, and the Flowerpecker is a poorly-known canopy specialist which is seemingly widespread in Borneo and requires good luck to be in the right place at the right time. Green-faced Parrotfinch is similar in some respects. I'd be inclined to add Bornean Crestless Fireback in it's place.
I'd agree - Bagan area of Myanmar is relatively ok to visit compared to other parts of the country, likewise White-browed Nuthatch (Gurney's Pitta is not accessible however). I've had friends visit there recently without issue, and several Burmese birders see all these birds without issue in recent months.
Same with Pleske's Ground-jay, not a problem to visit for a lot of nationalities.
Spectacled Flowerpecker is not easy, but Ulu Temborung in Brunei has sightings now-and-again, depending on a certain flowering mistletoe.

Bornean Crestless Fireback is not too difficult at Tanjung Puting in Kalimantan (Malay CF is now the harder species to see).
Cook Reed Warbler + Rimatara Reed Warbler - you can fly to Mangaia and Rimatara on commercial flights (from Rarotonga and Tahiti respectively), birds easy to see too.
Hainan Peacock-pheasant - easy enough to hear in a couple of accessible areas, just a difficult bird to see.
Black Partridge - not too difficult to visit areas it's been recorded at in past 10 years on Sumatra, just an extremely bird to encounter.
Nicobar endemics - foreign tourists can now freely visit some of the Nicobar Islands, just need a lot of time and patience, with the expectation of cancelled or delayed ferries, so several of the Nicobar endemics are not difficult if you have no time limit.
Malay Crested Argus - just a bit of a walk and a nights camping, no access or permit issues, just a difficult bird to see, though fine to hear.

Amazing how few species there are, in Asia at least, that are no longer considered virtually impossible to see with some effort.

James
 
I'd agree - Bagan area of Myanmar is relatively ok to visit compared to other parts of the country, likewise White-browed Nuthatch (Gurney's Pitta is not accessible however). I've had friends visit there recently without issue, and several Burmese birders see all these birds without issue in recent months.
Same with Pleske's Ground-jay, not a problem to visit for a lot of nationalities.
Spectacled Flowerpecker is not easy, but Ulu Temborung in Brunei has sightings now-and-again, depending on a certain flowering mistletoe.

Bornean Crestless Fireback is not too difficult at Tanjung Puting in Kalimantan (Malay CF is now the harder species to see).
Cook Reed Warbler + Rimatara Reed Warbler - you can fly to Mangaia and Rimatara on commercial flights (from Rarotonga and Tahiti respectively), birds easy to see too.
Hainan Peacock-pheasant - easy enough to hear in a couple of accessible areas, just a difficult bird to see.
Black Partridge - not too difficult to visit areas it's been recorded at in past 10 years on Sumatra, just an extremely bird to encounter.
Nicobar endemics - foreign tourists can now freely visit some of the Nicobar Islands, just need a lot of time and patience, with the expectation of cancelled or delayed ferries, so several of the Nicobar endemics are not difficult if you have no time limit.
Malay Crested Argus - just a bit of a walk and a nights camping, no access or permit issues, just a difficult bird to see, though fine to hear.

Amazing how few species there are, in Asia at least, that are no longer considered virtually impossible to see with some effort.

James
Interesting comments about the peninsular Firebacks, James. Has it declined in Taman Negara or is it just difficult to get to now? I recall seeing them near one of the hides many years ago.
 
I think accessibility of destination countries to visitors should not be judged based on the conditions for visitors from the specific source countries that have gone to large lengths in messing said destination countries up. I am sorry for US citizens who can't go to Iran, but the US is a democracy so it's kinda your fault you have the government that you have.
 
I think accessibility of destination countries to visitors should not be judged based on the conditions for visitors from the specific source countries that have gone to large lengths in messing said destination countries up. I am sorry for US citizens who can't go to Iran, but the US is a democracy so it's kinda your fault you have the government that you have.
I suggested USA/UK as a baseline simply because presumably that is where the majority of posters are based in, or have citizenship in.

I mean really, outside of a few remote and restricted access islands, everywhere in the world has people, so there is a potential for anyone to see birds that are politically difficult to access. But I doubt there are many citizens or inhabitants of these regions who post here. I presume the idea here is what birds for whatever reason are not gettable for the average birder, or at least the average birder who can afford to travel to begin with. That requires defining what an average birder is.
 
Yeah but USA/UK is a really unusual sample of even western population. Still probably the majority here so maybe it makes sense.
 
Due to Venezuela being close, there's a few species that are still possible in Guyana from the Tepuis, but in the words of the last person to have seen these species there, you need more time and money than you'd realistically have, but once there, the birds are so tame since they've never seen humans.

Some of these (currently) inaccessible candidates due to issues in Venezuela include:
  • Tepui Goldenthroat
  • Tepui Wren
  • Tepui Elaenia
  • Tepui Redstart
  • Greater Flowerpiercer
 
Given visa requirements for UK (and US?) passport holders for visiting Iran, is it currently possible for UK (or US?) nationals to see Pleske’s Ground Jay?
Cheers,
James
It is not currently possible for UK, Canada or US passport holders to visit Iran independently, visas will not be granted. That said, it is possible for these nationalities to visit if on an organised trip by an approved travel agent in Iran - at least one company does offer bird- and wildlife-based trips.

As far as government travel advisories, they are both conservative and heavily biased - Iran has been on the UK's advisory against travel for many years, but (in the days when visas were available) the reality was that Iran was actually one of the safest countries in the world to visit. And once in, Pleske's Ground Jay can be not very difficult.
 
PS Iran visa, regardless of nationality, is a bit of a lottery - folks often get refused seemingly for no reason. Using a Tehran travel agent to organise the visa vastly improves the odds.
 
Practical take is: don't wait to see places! I visited Iran and Venezuela when they were easier. It would be much more difficult or a least stressful now. Far south-east Turkey used to be a very easy destination, in the last decade birders still go to Birecik, but the threat of terrorism is much bigger. I missed visiting Yemen when it was open.

Perhaps one could make a list of places which are in biggest danger of becoming inaccessible in future. Both for habitat destruction (Philippines, East Brazil...) or for politics (Russia? Central Asia?).
 
Interesting comments about the peninsular Firebacks, James. Has it declined in Taman Negara or is it just difficult to get to now? I recall seeing them near one of the hides many years ago.
Malayan Crestless recently uplifted to CR, its decline has been that steep, as Peninsular Malaysia has topped the charts for forest clearance for a number of recent years. Kumbang hide used to be the spot, as a group hung round there for years and years, till about 10 years ago off the top of my head, when an Orang Asli settlement moved in close-by, and they disappeared shortly after. Still get seen here-and-there at TN (but there has also been releases of them around HQ, with Great Argus and Malayan Peacock-pheasants).
Given I've lived in Malaysia, and spent a lot of time in the right habitat in failed searches for Black Partridge, for 18 years, and only seen it couple times away from Kumbang area (in Johor), gives some idea for it's difficulty now. Couple sites in Sumatra still hold seemingly reasonable populations though.

James
 
Practical take is: don't wait to see places! I visited Iran and Venezuela when they were easier. It would be much more difficult or a least stressful now. Far south-east Turkey used to be a very easy destination, in the last decade birders still go to Birecik, but the threat of terrorism is much bigger. I missed visiting Yemen when it was open.

Perhaps one could make a list of places which are in biggest danger of becoming inaccessible in future. Both for habitat destruction (Philippines, East Brazil...) or for politics (Russia? Central Asia?).
Of course easier said than done. I know I've only had enough income and job security in the last few years to consider international birding trips. Although on the plus side, I think some options have opened up more. Certainly Columbia is a lot easier to visit than when I first started birding.

I worry, given the increased aggressive posturing, that Taiwan and China could become non-viable soon!
 
Malayan Crestless recently uplifted to CR, its decline has been that steep, as Peninsular Malaysia has topped the charts for forest clearance for a number of recent years. Kumbang hide used to be the spot, as a group hung round there for years and years, till about 10 years ago off the top of my head, when an Orang Asli settlement moved in close-by, and they disappeared shortly after. Still get seen here-and-there at TN (but there has also been releases of them around HQ, with Great Argus and Malayan Peacock-pheasants).
Given I've lived in Malaysia, and spent a lot of time in the right habitat in failed searches for Black Partridge, for 18 years, and only seen it couple times away from Kumbang area (in Johor), gives some idea for it's difficulty now. Couple sites in Sumatra still hold seemingly reasonable populations though.

James
That's depressing... just flew over the Peninsula a couple of days ago admiring all the oil palm.
 
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Of course easier said than done. I know I've only had enough income and job security in the last few years to consider international birding trips. Although on the plus side, I think some options have opened up more. Certainly Columbia is a lot easier to visit than when I first started birding.

I worry, given the increased aggressive posturing, that Taiwan and China could become non-viable soon!
I worry about the US becoming non-viable 😔
 
Yes, there are 2 elements her that are largely subjective - level of danger and level of effort required in your definition of an expedition rather than just tough birding.

Government travel advisories are generally highly conservative and often too general to reflect complexities on the ground. For example, a lot of us have probably been to Mindanao against government advice, and I still wonder whether the Bagan area of Burma is too insecure to consider visiting. I see a big distinction between travelling to areas where there are low-key local conflicts, and ones where tourists are active targets for attack (such as Sulu).
Not the whole of Mindanao? When we went it was just the Zamboanga peninsular, hence, no Bulbul for us.
 

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