Latest IOC Diary Updates (25 Viewers)

[Paul Clapham]

Me too, willow grouse aren’t all that easy are they? And certainly not easy if you’ve not birded Scandinavia!

Not that hard if you just drive the roads of the Yukon for a day or two.

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Big gain for me in IOC 14.2 with 42 gains and 11 losses so far.

The 31 gain is about the same as the combined lifers in my last four foreign birding trips to South Korea, Bangladesh, Mexico and Morocco.

However the redpoll lump means I lose two off my British Isles list

You should get out more! 😉

 

[James Jobling]

My heart goes out to the strong men alternately weeping and exulting on this thread. Unless you are in the xenotwitching competition to see more species than the next birder, IGNORE IOC and the other acronyms – be bold, strike out for liberty and independence, create your own list! Long live the revolution!

 

[Swift]

14.2 Gained 12 but then 4 were taken away! Left with a healthy +8 .

 

[Andy Adcock]

Net 0 for me since 14.1 was published.

+1 Southern Nutcracker
-1 Japanese Tit
+1 Siberian Pipit
-2 Arctic and Lesser Redpolls
+1 Southern House Wren

Scimitar Babblers +1
Cuckoo-shrikes +1
Redpolls -2
Red-rumped Swallow +1
Jungle Crow +1
Island Thrush +2
Edible Nest Swiftlet -1
Collared Scops -1
House Wren +2

Four up so far.

 

[Jacana]

Scimitar Babblers +1
Cuckoo-shrikes +1
Redpolls -2
Red-rumped Swallow +1
Jungle Crow +1
Island Thrush +2
Edible Nest Swiftlet -1
Collared Scops -1
House Wren +2

Four up so far.

I'd forgotten the Scops. So -1 then for me

 

[pbjosh]

My heart goes out to the strong men alternately weeping and exulting on this thread. Unless you are in the xenotwitching competition to see more species than the next birder, IGNORE IOC and the other acronyms – be bold, strike out for liberty and independence, create your own list! Long live the revolution!

I actually don’t give two sh*ts about how many species I’ve seen and I’ll never be one of the top listers. But I really enjoy trying to see as much as I can, I really enjoy trips for difficult species or to remote places, I follow taxonomy keenly, and I like the nerdy side of diving into the data. It’s all just good fun, and it was fun when I had 100 birds on my list and it’s still fun and I hope it continues to be fun.

 

[YuShan]

Red Grouse +1
Japanese Tit -1
Striated Swallow -1
European Red-rumped Swallow +1
Southern House Wren +1
Cozumel Wren +1
Sri Lanka Shama +1
Lesser Redpoll -1
Arctic Redpoll -1

I may be gaining one

 

[Larry Sweetland]

All a bit of harmless fun. For me the biggest disappointments with this batch have been:-

1. The feeling of excited anticipation after seeing that Sri Lanka Shama had been split, and thinking "ooh great, surely I must have seen one of those and forgotten about it. White-rumped Shama's pretty common innit?", then turning to nail-biting panic as each dog-eared page of a battered old note book failed to contain the words "White-rumped Shama" over a month's worth of bumming round Sri Lanka... until I had to conclude I must have not seen one there 😭.
2. Similar deal with Large-billed Crow on the Philippines, only this was worse, because I had my notebook stolen in China later on the same trip, so had to rely on my BF trip report, in which I didn't bother inputting everything I saw at each site, so several sites I visited where this species occurs had a list of interesting birds ending in "etc" 😆. Would the Philippine Jungle Crow split be among those etcs? I can't remember, and I'll never know! 🤷🤦.

 

[wolfbirder]

When is IOC 14.2 likely to change from 'draft' to final?
Are we talking days/weeks/months?
Based on previous updates

 

[kweetal]

Based on previous updates

Jun 21 2019 master_ioc_list_v9.2.xlsx
Jul 25 2020 master_ioc_list_v10.2.xlsx
Aug 2 2021 master_ioc_list_v11.2.xlsx
Aug 6 2022 master_ioc_list_v12.2.xlsx
Jul 16 2023 master_ioc_list_v13.2.xlsx
These are the timestamps of recent-ish .2 files (YMMV)

 

[Diedert]

No firm deadline yet. Version 14.2 will be delayed a bit because we lost approximately two months of collaborative time due to field work, vacations, etc. We are looking to complete it by the end of August, at the latest.

See here.

 

[James Lowther]

When is IOC 14.2 likely to change from 'draft' to final?
Are we talking days/weeks/months?
Based on previous updates

Others have clarified the IOC timeline but in British terms IOC changes are incorporated into the British list on an annual basis I think so expect e.g. the redpolls to be axed in early 2025 (not that you asked about that but I have a feeling that’s what you’re after, apologies if I’m wrong!)
Cheers
James

 

[Larry Sweetland]

Does anyone have access to a draft of version 15.2 so we can work out what we can resplit and relump, and get a bit of practice in of what we'll be calling them for a bit? 😃

 

[Andy Adcock]

All a bit of harmless fun. For me the biggest disappointments with this batch have been:-

1. The feeling of excited anticipation after seeing that Sri Lanka Shama had been split, and thinking "ooh great, surely I must have seen one of those and forgotten about it. White-rumped Shama's pretty common innit?", then turning to nail-biting panic as each dog-eared page of a battered old note book failed to contain the words "White-rumped Shama" over a month's worth of bumming round Sri Lanka... until I had to conclude I must have not seen one there 😭.
2. Similar deal with Large-billed Crow on the Philippines, only this was worse, because I had my notebook stolen in China later on the same trip, so had to rely on my BF trip report, in which I didn't bother inputting everything I saw at each site, so several sites I visited where this species occurs had a list of interesting birds ending in "etc" 😆. Would the Philippine Jungle Crow split be among those etcs? I can't remember, and I'll never know! 🤷🤦.

Exactly the same here Dan with the Shama.

Not sure if we had prior knowledge of the likely split from Tim Fisher but we did see the Crow with the report stating 'Occasionally seen in open country'.

 

[gusasp]

Not to be a party pooper, but I think y'all have to be prepared for a big lump fest coming up. More than 160 species recognized by IOC today have been lumped by WGAC, at least as of their latest decisions per Avibase. Only 15 splits are expected from what I can see.

 

[pbjosh]

Not to be a party pooper, but I think y'all have to be prepared for a big lump fest coming up. More than 160 species recognized by IOC today have been lumped by WGAC, at least as of their latest decisions per Avibase. Only 15 splits are expected from what I can see.

Do you have example taxon / taxa you can link to or cite? I’ve not seen this suggested elsewhere and haven’t bumped into it myself on avibase.

 

[YuShan]

All a bit of harmless fun. For me the biggest disappointments with this batch have been:-

1. The feeling of excited anticipation after seeing that Sri Lanka Shama had been split, and thinking "ooh great, surely I must have seen one of those and forgotten about it. White-rumped Shama's pretty common innit?", then turning to nail-biting panic as each dog-eared page of a battered old note book failed to contain the words "White-rumped Shama" over a month's worth of bumming round Sri Lanka... until I had to conclude I must have not seen one there 😭.
2. Similar deal with Large-billed Crow on the Philippines, only this was worse, because I had my notebook stolen in China later on the same trip, so had to rely on my BF trip report, in which I didn't bother inputting everything I saw at each site, so several sites I visited where this species occurs had a list of interesting birds ending in "etc" 😆. Would the Philippine Jungle Crow split be among those etcs? I can't remember, and I'll never know! 🤷🤦.

I remember my Sri Lanka Shama very well, because White-rumped Shama was a lifer for me at the time

But, I have also learned my lesson over the years. In the past, on a trip I would record every species only once. So when covering a large geographic area and starting in the north, I would write down a bird that I saw, but wouldn't write it down again if I encountered the same species in the south. Then when it gets split later on, I wouldn't have a record of that. Today, I make separate records for different sites, unless they are very close.

 

[Jacana]

Not to be a party pooper, but I think y'all have to be prepared for a big lump fest coming up. More than 160 species recognized by IOC today have been lumped by WGAC, at least as of their latest decisions per Avibase. Only 15 splits are expected from what I can see.

I'm hugely against this idea and I hope it doesn't come to fruition. It's exceptionally rude, because this means I actually have to go birding to boost my life list back up.



😉

 

[twitcherf]

I'm hugely against this idea and I hope it doesn't come to fruition. It's exceptionally rude, because this means I actually have to go birding to boost my life list back up.



😉

I'm hoping most of them are on bizarre islands I have never been to so I dont lose too many!!