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[jts1882]

It basically boils down to 'These splits are very old'

That's what I suspected. I vaguely remember reading something in the last year proposing several potential order splits based on age of divergence. I can't remember if it was a scientific article, a blog or possibly even a post here. I think there were a couple of others apart from the Strisores.

 

[TomDerutter]

First, the current situation was wrong: you can't have caprimulgiformes & apodiformes with their old composition
So there are 2 options:
1: if you want to keep all the nocturnal groups together, you have to merge apodiformes into caprimulgiformes, making it a mixed bag of very different things, keeping together some clades that are older then a lot of other orders
2: splitting all the nocturnal groups

Every proposal i've seen goes for option 2, except HBW-birdlife, who went for option 1.
I've not seen any proposals in between - it'd be rather arbitrary - why keep some of these together? might as well keep everything in 1 order then...

as a sidenote, HBW-birdlife also lumps all of paleognathae into struthioniformes, which is somewhat of the same argumentation.

 

[jts1882]

Birds of the World/Clements/Cornell and H&M4 (Cracraft's taxonomy) also lump all into one order, so the IOC is the first of the four major checklists to take this step. Recent phylogenetic studies like Brawn et al (2019) and Kuhl et al (2020) also use one order, so my impression was the the lumpers had won this one.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Birds of the World/Clements/Cornell and H&M4 (Cracraft's taxonomy) also lump all into one order, so the IOC is the first of the four major checklists to take this step. Recent phylogenetic studies like Brawn et al (2019) and Kuhl et al (2020) also use one order, so my impression was the the lumpers had won this one.

Because they use the current classification used by the different sources, probably for convenience, but that does not mean that they agree with this conception.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Moreover, there is a paper published in Vertebrate Zoology which the authors reclassifies the strisores and by recognizing several orders including the Aegotheliformes 🤷

 

[TomDerutter]

It's weird that clements lumped, since both NACC & SACC accepted the split

 

[Paul Clapham]

A recent diary entry "Revise linear sequence and genera of Turdidae" includes changing the name Turdus mupinensis to Otochichla mupinensis. This looked odd to me, I thought the genus name should be Otocichla to match all of the other "cichla" names.

But both names can be found on the web with what looks like similar authority. So I searched out the reference Nylander et al. (2008) which is "Accounting for Phylogenetic Uncertainty in Biogeography: A Bayesian Approach to Dispersal-Vicariance Analysis of the Thrushes (Aves: Turdus)". Unfortunately that didn't clarify anything for me because neither of those names is mentioned in that paper.

Does anybody know which is correct? My money is on Otocichla but I could be wrong.

 

[l_raty]

name : Otocichla
author : Wolters
year : 1980
OD reference : Wolters HE. 1975-1982. Die Vogelarten der Erde. Eine systematische Liste mit Verbreitungsangaben sowie deutschen und englischen Namen. Paul Parey, Hamburg & Berlin.
page : 405
OD link : [seen but not found online.]
included nominal species : Cichloselys mupinensis
type species : Turdus mupinensis Laubmann 1920
type species valid syn. : in use
fixation by : original designation
fixation ref : as OD
page : as OD
fixation link : as OD
type OD ref : Laubmann A. 1920. Ein neuer Name für Turdus auritus Verr. Ornithol. Monatsber., 28: 17.
page : 17
type OD link : https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/32581928
notes : As a subgenus of Cichloselys
ICZN : n/a
online publication : n/a
available : yes
family : Turdidae

 

[mb1848]

Otocichla

 

[DDonsker]

A recent diary entry "Revise linear sequence and genera of Turdidae" includes changing the name Turdus mupinensis to Otochichla mupinensis. This looked odd to me, I thought the genus name should be Otocichla to match all of the other "cichla" names.

But both names can be found on the web with what looks like similar authority. So I searched out the reference Nylander et al. (2008) which is "Accounting for Phylogenetic Uncertainty in Biogeography: A Bayesian Approach to Dispersal-Vicariance Analysis of the Thrushes (Aves: Turdus)". Unfortunately that didn't clarify anything for me because neither of those names is mentioned in that paper.

Does anybody know which is correct? My money is on Otocichla but I could be wrong.

Otocichla. My typo. Apologies.

David

 

[mb1848]

Wolters long description of this genus infers he never thought he was naming a new genus for Nesoctitinae. (Short)

 

[Paul Clapham]

Otocichla. My typo. Apologies.

David

You're certainly not the first to use that "alternate" spelling.

 

[gusasp]

Mar 19 Post accepted split of Tenggara Paradise Flycatcher from Blyth's Paradise Flycatcher.

Is Tenggara without Nusa really appropriate? Tenggara means "southeastern" and is used for other areas as well.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Is Tenggara without Nusa really appropriate? Tenggara means "southeastern" and is used for other areas as well.

I'd have thought it superfluous in relation to a country with no 'mainland'?

 

[Andy Adcock]

I'm one up from this.

Mar 19 Post accepted split of Tenggara Paradise Flycatcher from Blyth's Paradise Flycatcher.


Mar 15 Post proposed split of Dyak Blue Flycatcher from Javan Blue Flycatcher.


Mar 14 Split Strisores into six orders rather than two. Add Steatornithiformes, Nyctibiiformes, Podargiformes and Aegotheliformes.


Mar 14 Post proposed split of Horsfield's Thrush from Scaly Thrush.


Mar 14 Split Taiwan Thrush Turdus niveiceps from Island Thrush Turdus poliocephalus.


Mar 14 Move Boulder Chat Pinarornis plumosus from Muscicapidae to Turdidae.


Mar 14 Revise linear sequence and genera of Turdidae.


Mar 13 Revise linear sequence and genera of Hirundinidae.

 

[Steve Lister]

I wish they would stop splitting things on Taiwan that I never saw there - Bullfinch already and now Thrush.

 

[Andy Adcock]

I wish they would stop splitting things on Taiwan that I never saw there - Bullfinch already and now Thrush.

Probably more to come Steve so brace yourself!

The Thrush is my armchair tick.

 

[Steve Lister]

There are worse places to go back to again.

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

Last time I was in Taiwan I wanted to see the thrush just in case, but it was the wrong time of year to find one easily.

 

[sicklebill]

A lucky pick-up at Km 23 on Dasyueshan, at the fruiting tree, where we saw single female or immature birds on two days. Good to see this very distinctive taxon split by most now, been waiting since I first saw it in 2003!