Latest IOC Diary Updates (6 Viewers)

[Nightjar61]

Dec 24 Accept lump of Arabian Accentor with Radde’s Accentor.

I lost Arabian Accentor but gained Radde’s Accentor.

Dave

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

but gained Radde’s Accentor.

This species was not in your list before ?

 

[Nightjar61]

This species was not in your list before ?

Nope. I had seen Arabian but not Radde’s, having never birded anywhere within the Radde’s range.

By the way, what is the pronunciation of Radde’s? Is it radeez or rads?

Dave

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

By the way, what is the pronunciation of Radde’s? Is it radeez or rads?

Like a Russian name 😅

 

[Joseph Anthony]

This is the never ending story.

 

[l_raty]

By the way, what is the pronunciation of Radde’s? Is it radeez or rads?

He was Prussian (not Russian).
In German, the stress is on the first syllable of the name, and the final -e is a distinctly voiced schwa -- i.e., it is neither pronounced ee (radeez), nor mute (rads). Perhaps raddus might better approach the original ? (I don't think I've heard it pronounced this way by anybody in English, though.)

 

[MJB]

He was Prussian (not Russian).
In German, the stress is on the first syllable of the name, and the final -e is a distinctly voiced schwa -- i.e., it is neither pronounced ee (radeez), nor mute (rads). Perhaps raddus might better approach the original ? (I don't think I've heard it pronounced this way by anybody in English, though.)

In English, it's probably best to pronounce the name as RAH-dih, stressed as you stated, and add a customary 'sz' sound to the possessive. 🥂, Laurent!
MJB

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

In English, it's probably best to pronounce the name as RAH-dih, stressed as you stated, and add a customary 'sz' sound to the possessive. 🥂, Laurent!
MJB

Raditz ? 🤔

 

[MJB]

Raditz ? 🤔

Nahhhhh....🍷
MJB

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Nahhhhh....🍷
MJB

Saiyan can love borbs

 

[Andy Adcock]

In English, it's probably best to pronounce the name as RAH-dih, stressed as you stated, and add a customary 'sz' sound to the possessive. 🥂, Laurent!
MJB

Never hearde it caled anything other thans Rads, in the UK, regardless of right or wrong but this is the guy who was calling Treepies 'Treepees' until my error was pointed out, have no idea how I came up with that!

Gotta go, there's a Magpee in my garden and it's a Cyprus tick

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

I've always heard it pronounced "radz", but if he was German, it would be pronounced "RAH-duz".

 

[Mysticete]

Never hearde it caled anything other thans Rads, in the UK, regardless of right or wrong but this is the guy who was calling Treepies 'Treepees' until my error was pointed out, have no idea how I came up with that!

Gotta go, there's a Magpee in my garden and it's a Cyprus tick

When I started out birding, I thought Scoter was pronounced Scooter...

 

[Dave Boyle]

When I started out birding, I thought Scoter was pronounced Scooter...

I was reading something recently saying Scoter is a corruption of Sea Coot, so maybe they should be Scooters!

 

[Jeff Hopkins]

When I started out birding, I thought Scoter was pronounced Scooter...

I still call 'em scooters, just for grins.

 

[Steve Lister]

A Leicestershire birder who sadly died this month spent his whole birding life seeing Glaushous Gulls whilst everyone else was watching Glaucous. Better than the Glucose Gulls that some seem to see I suppose.

 

[Paul Clapham]

Jan 8 Begin conversion to IOC 12.1.

Jan 8 Restore Sundaic and Philippine subspecies of Acrocephalus stentoreus back to that species. Revert English name of Acrocephalus australis back to Australian Reed Warbler.

Dec 30 Move Sulawesi Thrush from the monotypic genus Cataponera to Turdus.

 

[dnsallen]

Jan 8 Begin conversion to IOC 12.1.

Jan 8 Restore Sundaic and Philippine subspecies of Acrocephalus stentoreus back to that species. Revert English name of Acrocephalus australis back to Australian Reed Warbler.

Is there a discussion of this somewhere? While harterti may not belong with australis It doesn't fit well with stentoreus.

 

[MJB]

Is there a discussion of this somewhere? While harterti may not belong with australis It doesn't fit well with stentoreus.

Perhaps James Eaton can throw some light on this, considering Eaton et al 2021? Might there possibly be an intermediate species between stentoreus and australis? Or perhaps the alignment of the World Lists had some influence...?
MJB
Eaton JA, B van Balen, NW Brickle & FE Rheindt. 2021. Birds of the Indonesian Archipelago: Greater Sundas and Wallacea. Second Edition. Lynx Edicions, Barcelona.

 

[l_raty]

The mtDNA sequences that are in GenBank (cytb of 3 harterti from the Philippines, 1 from Helbig & Seibold 1999 [DOI link], 2 from Fregin et al 2012 [pdf]; partial cytb, nd2 and atp8 from 2 sumbae from Guadalcanal, Cibois et al 2011 [pdf]) place harterti with stentoreus and sumbae with australis.