Latest IOC Diary Updates (1 Viewer)

[Paul Clapham]

Apr 20 Post proposed lump of Archer's Buzzard with Augur Buzzard.

Apr 20 Change the English name of Caridonax fulgidus from Glittering Kingfisher to the nearly universally used White-rumped Kingfisher.

 

[MJB]

Apr 21 Post proposed lump of Usambara Eagle-Owl with Fraser's Eagle-Owl.

Apr 21 Post proposed split of Tasmanian Boobook from Morepork.

MJB

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Apr 21 Post proposed lump of Usambara Eagle-Owl with Fraser's Eagle-Owl.

It's written Ninox vosseleri instead of Bubo vosseleri in the proposed splits/lumps page

 

[MJB]

Apr 21 Restore Congo Serpent Eagle to Dryotriorchis from Circaetus.
MJB

 

[DDonsker]

It's written Ninox vosseleri instead of Bubo vosseleri in the proposed splits/lumps page

Fixed. Thanks.

 

[mb1848]

"Apr 21 Restore Congo Serpent Eagle to Dryotriorchis from Circaetus."

This book explains this.
The Great Eagles: Their Evolution, Ecology and Conservation .

 

[MJB]

Apr 23 Post proposed lump of Chinese Cupwing with Scaly-breasted Cupwing.
MJB

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

This book explains this.
The Great Eagles: Their Evolution, Ecology and Conservation .

Eutriorchis within Circaetinae ??? I feel bad with my phylogeny

 

[l_raty]

Eutriorchis within Circaetinae ??? I feel bad with my phylogeny

Wikipedia actually agrees...
(...albeit admittedly with a footnote suggesting it may not be correct. Eutriorchis has been placed in the Polyboroides/Gypaetinae/Perninae clade by two studies (one of which was never published), but which subfamily it should be part of, is not clear (the two studies suggested different relationships, in both cases without good support). So, this might arguably be a case of retaining an old classification system which is known to be incorrect, because there is no confidence about what the correct treatment should be.)

Harpyhaliaetus merged in Buteogallus but nevertheless retained in Harpiinae is interesting, too...

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Wikipedia actually agrees...
(...albeit admittedly with a footnote suggesting it may not be correct. Eutriorchis has been placed in the Polyboroides/Gypaetinae/Perninae clade by two studies (one of which was never published), but which subfamily it should be part of, is not clear (the two studies suggested different relationships, in both cases without good support). So, this might arguably be a case of retaining an old classification system which is known to be incorrect, because there is no confidence about what the correct treatment should be.)

Harpyhaliaetus merged in Buteogallus but nevertheless retained in Harpiinae is interesting, too...

Wikipedia, c'est de la m**** as said Jean-Pierre Coffe

 

[jts1882]

Which studies?

Lerner and Mindell (2005) has Eutriorchis as sister Gypaetus+Neophron in Gypaetinae. Then two more recent reports, Nagy & Tökölyi (2014) and Mindell et al (2018), have it sister to Leptodon+Chondrohierax in Perninae.

The IOC doesn't do subfamilies but their sequence seems to follow Mindell et al (2018). However they place Eutriorchis ambiguously between the unequivocal Gypaetinae and Perninae genera.

 

[l_raty]

Which studies?

What I had in mind was Lerner & Mindell 2005 and Annett Kocum's thesis ("Phylogenie der Accipitriformes (Greifvögel) anhand verschiedener nuklearer und mitochondrialer DNA-Sequenzen", 2006), which used to be online on a university website somewhere, but which I currently only find here.
I had lost sight of Mindell et al 2018.

Eutriorchis was united to Gypaetinae in Lerner & Mindell 2005 with low Bayesian support (PP=.88) and based on mitochondrial sequences only.
It was united to Perninae in the thesis, with good Bayesian support (PP=1), but no support at all in ML and NJ analyses.
In Mindell et al 2018, the authors used a supermatrix composed of "published sequence data (GenBank; ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) from the studies referenced above"; I assume that, for this species, they included both the mitochondrial sequences of Lerner & Mindell 2005, as well as Annett Kocum's MYC sequence, which is in GenBank too (despite no published study which would have used this sequence had been, so far as I can assess, "referenced above"). In their tree, Eutriorchis ended up united to Perninae -- as in the thesis -- with a Bayesian support that appeared fairly good too -- albeit not as good as in the thesis ("*" = PP between .95 and .99); no ML or NJ analyses were performed, thus we can't tell if the lack of ML/NJ support found in the thesis was remedied or not.

Still ambiguous, in my opinion.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

On the other hand, Gypaetus, Neophron and Gypohierax share a particular morphology not found in Eutriorchis. I don't see these 4 genera being related

 

[l_raty]

True -- externally, it looks more pernine than gypaetine.
(Note that the question is not necessarily limited to whether it is one or the other. E.g., we should also be able to exclude the possibility that it might be basal to both, with the gypaetine "particular morphology" being apomorphic.)

 

[MJB]

Apr 23 Post proposed lump of Pere David's Owl with Ural Owl.
MJB

 

[Jacana]

Apr 23 Post proposed lump of Pere David's Owl with Ural Owl.
MJB

That may prove to be premature. Some former colleagues of mine in Uppsala had samples that I think they were working on.

 

[l_raty]

That may prove to be premature. Some former colleagues of mine in Uppsala had samples that I think they were working on.

I once did this: Barcoding Japanese birds
At this time (2014), the only Strix davidi material in GenBank was a single coi barcode. This has not changed since.

 

[Fred Ruhe]

So much more research is needed before the proposed lump based on genetic grounds only can be accepted.

Fred

 

[viator]

Apr 27 Post proposed lump of African and Eurasian Reed Warblers as Common Reed Warbler Acrocephalus scirpaceus.

 

[opisska]

That would be really practical for all WP listers not wanting to collect poop for DNA analysis