Latest IOC Diary Updates (3 Viewers)

[DDonsker]

Good point.

The Diary entry will be expanded to include reference to the English name change as well.

Thanks.

Just done. Post-dated to June 27 when the actual change was made.

 

[Paul Clapham]

Aug 3 Lump Long-tailed Sabrewing with Curve-winged Sabrewing.

This is unclear to me. IOC has three species in this area: Curve-winged, Wedge-tailed, and Long-tailed. NACC had two: Wedge-tailed (including Curve-winged) and Long-tailed, and it is lumping those two. So does IOC propose to lump all three of their species to match NACC? Or does it propose to lump only those two and end up with Wedge-tailed and Curve-winged (including Long-tailed)?

 

[Steve Lister]

This is unclear to me. IOC has three species in this area: Curve-winged, Wedge-tailed, and Long-tailed. NACC had two: Wedge-tailed (including Curve-winged) and Long-tailed, and it is lumping those two. So does IOC propose to lump all three of their species to match NACC? Or does it propose to lump only those two and end up with Wedge-tailed and Curve-winged (including Long-tailed)?

Certainly needs some clarification..

 

[Taphrospilus]

General question as I checked Dacnis flaviventer.

Has been the results of...

• A study of d’Orbigny’s “Voyage dans l’Amerique Meridionale” IV. New avian names deriving from d’Orbigny’s expedition with evidence for their first introduction and necessary corrections to authorship, dates and citations
• A study of d’Orbigny’s “Voyage dans l’Amerique Meridionale” V. Necessary corrections to data from the “Index Animalium”.
• Authorship within the Synopsis Avium: a correction

... ever been included in IOC World bird list?

In case of Dacnis flaviventer d'Orbigny, 1836 this seems not the case. It seems the plate here is considered as first publication of the name.

 

[DDonsker]

This is unclear to me. IOC has three species in this area: Curve-winged, Wedge-tailed, and Long-tailed. NACC had two: Wedge-tailed (including Curve-winged) and Long-tailed, and it is lumping those two. So does IOC propose to lump all three of their species to match NACC? Or does it propose to lump only those two and end up with Wedge-tailed and Curve-winged (including Long-tailed)?

It's controversial, but for now IOC will retain Wedge-tailed Sabrewing as a separate species from Curved-winged Sabrewing (including excellens) contra NACC.

 

[McMadd]

IOC 12.2 list are available

Master Lists – IOC World Bird List

Have fun

Or did I speak too soon?
Links not fully active yet?

 

[DDonsker]

IOC 12.2 list are available

Master Lists – IOC World Bird List

Have fun

Or did I speak too soon?
Links not fully active yet?

Not quite. The link to IOC 12.2 red (the copy with the new entries and text changes since IOC 12.1 highlighted in red font) is active. The others not quite yet.

 

[Paul Clapham]

Not quite. The link to IOC 12.2 red (the copy with the new entries and text changes since IOC 12.1 highlighted in red font) is active. The others not quite yet.

At present the link "Life List+ (v12.2 Excel File XLSX, 3.0Mb)" is the one containing the 12.2 updates. The link "Life List+ (v12.2 red, Excel File XLSX, 3.4Mb)" doesn't appear to include any 12.2 updates -- at least, I looked for three of them and none were there.

 

[DDonsker]

At present the link "Life List+ (v12.2 Excel File XLSX, 3.0Mb)" is the one containing the 12.2 updates. The link "Life List+ (v12.2 red, Excel File XLSX, 3.4Mb)" doesn't appear to include any 12.2 updates -- at least, I looked for three of them and none were there.

Yes, we thought that we'd successfully downloaded the correct 12.2 red version, but clearly not. Others have also noted. We're working on it. Thanks.

 

[Taphrospilus]

In case of Dacnis flaviventer d'Orbigny, 1836 this seems not the case. It seems the plate here is considered as first publication of the name.

Thlypopsis ruficeps d'Orbigny, 1836 would require as well an update.

 

[Lawts]

I thought Lesser Sand Plover was being split this time round?
So as we currently stand, still just Greater and Lesser Sand Plover from a British perspective? Scottish Crossbill still a species? Common, Lesser, and Arctic Redpoll all still separate species?
Have the BOURC/BBRC indicated changing their position on the status of Lesser Short-toed Lark following the previous iteration?
Thanks.

 

[Mysticete]

The Sand Plover split was in the proposed splits page, but birds that show up there don't necessarily end up getting split. It COULD be split in the next update, 2 years from now, or never. Best chance of it happening is probably waiting for Charadriidae to be covered by the WGAC, which haven't gotten to that family yet.

I don't think there is anything particularly brand new with the redpolls or crossbills, so that is another case where I would not expect to see changes until WGAC gets to Fringillidae.

 

[McMadd]

Western Osprey?
Looking at V12.2, if you've now lumped the former Western & Eastern Ospreys, why to keep 'Western' in the name of a species you give a range of 'Worldwide' to?

Surely Osprey is enough now?

 

[DDonsker]

Western Osprey?
Looking at V12.2, if you've now lumped the former Western & Eastern Ospreys, why to keep 'Western' in the name of a species you give a range of 'Worldwide' to?

Surely Osprey is enough now?

The English name for Pandion haliaetus has been changed to simply Osprey as should be reflected in the downloadable 12.2 Excel files and as announced in the English name updates. Perhaps you are looking at the BOW (Birds of the World) pages which haven't been updated yet. Still struggling with technical issues with those pages.

If you are seeing the older name in one of the spreadsheets, we'd appreciate it if you would tell us which one.

Thanks.

 

[McMadd]

The English name for Pandion haliaetus has been changed to simply Osprey as should be reflected in the downloadable 12.2 Excel files and as announced in the English name updates. Perhaps you are looking at the BOW (Birds of the World) pages which haven't been updated yet. Still struggling with technical issues with those pages.

If you are seeing the older name in one of the spreadsheets, we'd appreciate it if you would tell us which one.

Thanks.

My bad
Was updating my personal file and got the two mixed but think I'd seen the BOW and went to check as it made no sense

Apologies

 

[DDonsker]

My bad
Was updating my personal file and got the two mixed but think I'd seen the BOW and went to check as it made no sense

Apologies

That's a relief! Thanks.

 

[MJB]

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Qilian Bluetail from Red-flanked Bluetail.

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Taiwan Bush Robin from White-browed Bush Robin.

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Northern Red-fronted Tinkerbird from (Southern) Red-fronted Tinkerbird.

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Northern Fish Owl from Blakiston's Fish Owl.

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Tenerife Robin and Gran Canaria Robin from European Robin.

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Crimson-crested Turaco from White-cheeked Turaco.
MJB

 

[opisska]

So you now want me to check where I have seen robins? This is unfairly advantageous towards people who actually make notes Also what is the difference, as far as I recall the robins look really the same everywhere?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Sep 22 Post proposed split of Qilian Bluetail from Red-flanked Bluetail.

What is the authorship of T. albocoeruleus ?

 

[l_raty]

What is the authorship of T. albocoeruleus ?

Had to do some searching to find it, but:

Tarsiger cyanurus albocoeruleus Meise 1937, p. 550 in http://doi.org/10.1007/BF01905592