Latest IOC Diary Updates (22 Viewers)

[Andy Adcock]

I'm using IOC too....and mine shows Eurasian Goshawk and American Goshawk......I don't see any entry labelled simply ' Goshawk'. Have you checked the last update?

I hope you're not disbelieving me?

 

[jhopkins]

I hope you're not disbelieving me?

Where is that from? Certainly not the IOC updates.

 

[jhopkins]

I hope you're not disbelieving me?

American Goshawk

Accipiter atricapillus

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Eurasian Goshawk

American Goshawk Accipiter atricapillus (including laingi and apache) is split from Northern Goshawk A. gentilis based on differences in vocalizations, morphology, and mitochondrial and genomic DNA divergence (Geraldes et al. 2019; Kunz et al. 2019; Sangster 2022

 

[Andy Adcock]

Where is that from? Certainly not the IOC updates.

That is the IOC list as generated by the Scythebill programme

 

[jhopkins]

That is the IOC list as generated by the Scythebill programme

Try the IOC list from IOC.....see above. They're the most reliable source.......

 

[Steve Lister]

That is the IOC list as generated by the Scythebill programme

Andy, the list you have shown must be set up for BOU names as both Goshawk and Marsh Harrier would have qualifiers if the full IOC names were used.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Cheers Steve.

 

[awiner]

Try the IOC list from IOC.....see above. They're the most reliable source.......

The IOC list in Scythebill is exactly the IOC list from IOC, with the only meaningful change being the addition of a number of undescribed species (all marked as undescribed). I download their spreadsheets, and process into my internal format.

The difference seen here is a result of preferences - Scythebill supports showing common names for IOC in 44 different "languages", with English BOU names as one of those options; with BOU names, "Eurasian Goshawk" will be displayed as just Goshawk. (There's also 68 different options for displaying names in the eBird/Clements taxonomy). In no cases does this preference actually affect the underlying taxonomy.

 

[jhopkins]

Andy, the list you have shown must be set up for BOU names as both Goshawk and Marsh Harrier would have qualifiers if the full IOC names were used.

So it is not the true IOC list.

 

[jhopkins]

Cheers Steve.

I repeat....see above for the correct IOC list per the IOC.

 

[jhopkins]

The IOC list in Scythebill is exactly the IOC list from IOC, with the only meaningful change being the addition of a number of undescribed species (all marked as undescribed). I download their spreadsheets, and process into my internal format.

The difference seen here is a result of preferences - Scythebill supports showing common names for IOC in 44 different "languages", with English BOU names as one of those options; with BOU names, "Eurasian Goshawk" will be displayed as just Goshawk. (There's also 68 different options for displaying names in the eBird/Clements taxonomy). In no cases does this preference actually affect the underlying taxonomy.

And.....once again....see above for the IOC list as per the IOC....not somebody else's version of it. I don't understand why that is so difficult to follow.....if I give the species my own names, it's not the true IOC list.

 

[Andy Adcock]

The IOC list in Scythebill is exactly the IOC list from IOC, with the only meaningful change being the addition of a number of undescribed species (all marked as undescribed). I download their spreadsheets, and process into my internal format.

The difference seen here is a result of preferences - Scythebill supports showing common names for IOC in 44 different "languages", with English BOU names as one of those options; with BOU names, "Eurasian Goshawk" will be displayed as just Goshawk. (There's also 68 different options for displaying names in the eBird/Clements taxonomy). In no cases does this preference actually affect the underlying taxonomy.

Not that it matters a jot as 'Goshawk' is clearly distinguished from American Goshawk, I'd just never noticed but, none of my preferences result in the addition of 'Eurasian'.

 

[TomDerutter]

Nov 4 Revise linear sequence of genera within Lybiidae. Recognize genera Cryptolybia and Pogonornis.

Nov 1 Revise linear sequence of genera within Trogonidae.

Oct 31 Revise linear sequence of genera and species within Sulidae.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Nov 4 Revise linear sequence of genera within Lybiidae. Recognize genera Cryptolybia and Pogonornis.

Sequence genera is revised to more closely align with other major world bird lists based on Moyle (2004).

It's the only known study on this family.

 

[Swindon Addick]

Green Barbet Stactolaema olivacea gets a genus all of its own as Cryptolybia olivacea.

Pogonornis is 5 species from Lybius:
Brown-breasted Barbet Pogonornis melanopterus
Black-backed Barbet Pogonornis minor
Double-toothed Barbet Pogonornis bidentatus
Bearded Barbet Pogonornis dubius
Black-breasted Barbet Pogonornis rolleti

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Green Barbet Stactolaema olivacea gets a genus all of its own as Cryptolybia olivacea.

Pogonornis is 5 species from Lybius:
Brown-breasted Barbet Pogonornis melanopterus
Black-backed Barbet Pogonornis minor
Double-toothed Barbet Pogonornis bidentatus
Bearded Barbet Pogonornis dubius
Black-breasted Barbet Pogonornis rolleti

But Lybius should include two Tricholaema

 

[awiner]

And.....once again....see above for the IOC list as per the IOC....not somebody else's version of it. I don't understand why that is so difficult to follow.....if I give the species my own names, it's not the true IOC list.

Not sure why you think so, see the "Multilingual Version" at Master Lists – IOC World Bird List, which contains 43 names for (most) species.

(Admittedly, the BOU names are the one exception - the other 43 are exactly what IOC provides, not "my own names", though even in that case I'm not using "my own names", and this is a case where the BOU itself follows the IOC list except for some of their own names. So not my invention, just following standards where they exist. Yeesh, folks, it's a feature!)

 

[jhopkins]

Not sure why you think so, see the "Multilingual Version" at Master Lists – IOC World Bird List, which contains 43 names for (most) species.

(Admittedly, the BOU names are the one exception - the other 43 are exactly what IOC provides, not "my own names", though even in that case I'm not using "my own names", and this is a case where the BOU itself follows the IOC list except for some of their own names. So not my invention, just following standards where they exist. Yeesh, folks, it's a feature!)

This is becoming tedious.....below is the entry from the IOC 13.2 update taken from the updates section of the IOC website.....

Species Updates IOC Version 13.2​

American Goshawk

Accipiter atricapillus

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Eurasian Goshawk

American Goshawk Accipiter atricapillus (including laingi and apache) is split from Northern Goshawk A. gentilis based on differences in vocalizations, morphology, and mitochondrial and genomic DNA divergence (Geraldes et al. 2019; Kunz et al. 2019; Sangster 2022).

and this is from your quoted Masterlist

Change English name of Accipiter gentilis from Northern Goshawk to Eurasian Goshawk with the split of American Goshawk A. atricapillus.

 

[Swindon Addick]

But Lybius should include two Tricholaema

I'm probably missing something obvious, but from what I can see on the IOC site the taxonomic updates don't distinguish between "we considered changing X to Y but decided against" and "we're still thinking about X and Y". All I know is that the taxonomic update doesn't mention any change involving Tricholaema.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Poecilodryas brachyura

Black-chinned Robin

Heteromyias brachyurus

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Black-chinned Robin is moved from Poecilodryas to Heteromyias based on morphological characters following Beehler and Pratt (2016). Note change in gender.

Leucophantes Sclater, 1874 (type: brachyura) has priority over Heteromyias Sharpe, 1879 (type: cinereifrons).

I suggest isolating brachyura in its own genus (Leucophantes) instead, although Garcia-Navas & al (2017) found this species embedded within Poecilodryas