Need to Id these swallows arrive here post monsoons (1 Viewer)

[Ains]

Took these snaps today, 2 Oct2021
Location Mount Abu Raj India

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[KenM]

Presume Asian House Martin?

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[Butty]

I would say one of the three species of house martin, except that they are all supposedly out of range - though pic 1 looks a good candidate for common house martin despite that. Maybe some/most are pale martin. Pass.

 

[Ains]

Appreciate all your observations, it was helpful. Thanks. I will go for the common house martin, as I know them to visit this part of Rajasthan.
cheers
Ains

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[Vyom B. Vyas]

Dusky Crag Martin by location, Asian House would be way off range and a mega rarity there

 

[Butty]

Dusky Crag Martin by location

But the plumage, and tail-structure, are clearly wrong.

 

[Vyom B. Vyas]

But the plumage, and tail-structure, are clearly wrong.

They can definitely vary, I have seen pale individuals as well and fork tails in them are not uncommon too.

 

[Butty]

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[Vyom B. Vyas]

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What about the wings, I am looking at a few ebird photos of House Martins, Dusky as well as Streak which I consider as another opinion for this flock as a whole or most of the birds. For Common, shouldn't the wing be a bit broader ideally, not a clear cut thing but an ideal case in most birds?

 

[andyb39]

The bird in the 1st image is clearly one of the House Martin species. It seems to have blackish underwing-coverts, so could be Asian, although this species seems less likely than Common on range. Certainly not Nepal, which has a uniformly dark undertail and which doesn't reach anywhere near Gujarat anyway.

The 2nd image seems to show a uniformly pale brownish Martin - maybe Dusky Crag?

The 3rd shows what looks like another House Martin - it seems to be hooded and the white wedge of the undertail-coverts contrasts with the blackish tail feathers. I don't see dark underwing-coverts, so perhaps not Asian. The throat looks dusky though.

The 4th looks like a House Martin - the hood is clearly visible and the underwing-coverts are distinctly darker, so I would go for Asian.

There are no records of either House Marin on eBird, so I'd appreciate a second opinion.

 

[Butty]

I'd appreciate a second opinion

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