New Product for Birdfair 2023 (2 Viewers)

[wllmspd]

How about an IS spotting scope?

Nikon had one over a decade back EDG Fieldscope 85 VR. The trouble is that with a good tripod there is no need for additional stabilisation. You can easily go over 100x. Of course wind and people walking over wobbly hide floors can cause juggles where stabilisation might help things. I’m guessing finding anyone with Nikon VR experience would be tricky.

Peter

 

[Kiwimac]

Nikon had one over a decade back EDG Fieldscope 85 VR. The trouble is that with a good tripod there is no need for additional stabilisation. You can easily go over 100x. Of course wind and people walking over wobbly hide floors can cause juggles where stabilisation might help things. I’m guessing finding anyone with Nikon VR experience would be tricky.

Peter

I used to shoot Nikon cameras and used their VR lenses, which were excellent.

These days I can’t be doing with carrying so much weight (my camera bag was commonly 18kg when I was working as a photographer) so I reverted to Leica M.

 

[NDhunter]

I am looking forward to the new Swarovski CL lineup, it has been suspected for years now, so no surprise.
Swarovski has really neglected the mid-price range that many buyers will enter, and that means under $2,000.
Without a mid-range Swarovski model, they are losing out to a large market. Remember SLC......

Zeiss with the SFL has now taken the lead in that category.
Jerry

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

Kiwimac,post 60,
Yes, we did and we only investigated the optical performance and user comfort and on the basis of these results I am a great fan of this binocular. (I never use it as a rangefinder).
Gijs van Ginkel

 

[Boogieshrew]

On 7X..
Well yes there are those, Curios, Retrovids, UVHDs, etc. Each of those is kind of a niche product. Never seen a 7X around anyone's neck while birding. What're the odds they represent the essential whole of the 7X market? Pretty good, a dollar says. Is there a growing trend of demand for 7X? Skeptical. Best bang for R&D buck? Would bet its not a 7X.

It's hard to see a 7x Inthe field though. I don't see other bins close enough to tell whether an EDG or a UVHD+ is a 7 or an 8.
Only the retrovid 7x35 is recognisable.

There are probably more 7s out there than are noticeable.

I bet no one but my friends know that Ive been using a host of 7s for years.

 

[tenex]

We should start threads about an unverified rumor of an unspecified new product more regularly.

 

[Canip]

We should start threads about an unverified rumor of an unspecified new product more regularly.

Even more regularly than today?

 

[Maljunulo]

Will it be another “Glare Monster”?

 

[Hermann]

We should start threads about an unverified rumor of an unspecified new product more regularly.

Probably just going to be some new, environmentally friendly armour that doesn't fall apart with heavy use ... 😁

Hermann

 

[gwlee]

7x is dead. No market. They would be foolish to make a 7x for the five people that would buy them.

Make that six people.

 

[mwhogue]

Make that six people.

+1 makes 7.

Mike

 

[PatR]

+1 makes 7.

Mike

+1 makes 8.

Or is is +2 as my Curio’s arrive today to join the 7x42 Habicht’s?

So 9 it is.

 

[PatR]

+1 makes 8.

Or is is +2 as my Curio’s arrive today to join the 7x42 Habicht’s?

So 9 it is.

Well they have just arrived, ordered 1630hrs yesterday from WEX. Delivered this morning by ParcelForce at 0833hrs.

Everything everyone said about these little jewels is spot on. Sublime, and how SW make a 7x21 perform like a much bigger bino is beyond this simple soldier.

But they do.

 

[Trinovid]

7x is dead. No market. They would be foolish to make a 7x for the five people that would buy them.

More accurately, anyone would be foolish to take any advice regarding binoculars from someone who would willfully ignore the existence, not to mention success, of the Curio 7x21, 7x35 Retrovid, 7x42 EDG and 7x42 Ultravid. Among others.

Terribly chosen post with no link to reality Dennis.

 

[Conndomat]

More accurately, anyone would be foolish to take any advice regarding binoculars from someone who would willfully ignore the existence, not to mention success, of the Curio 7x21, 7x35 Retrovid, 7x42 EDG and 7x42 Ultravid. Among others.

Hi,

I really think this is a cheese dome view.
If you read the posts here, you could quickly get the impression that every second person uses 7x binoculars, but the reality is different.

At some point Jan van Daalen mentioned the sales figures for 7x glasses, I don't remember exactly, but the ratio was around 1 to 50 to 8x binoculars.

The EDG 7x42 is practically not used here in Europe, for Nikon this market is a complete flop, the UV is traditionally bought more frequently, but the numbers for the 7x are also negligible here, the Retrovid is more of a fair-weather lens and is well-directed rather to the Leica community and whether the Curio is only chosen because of the low magnification is also questionable.
With pocket binoculars, people are more willing to live with small limitations.

In fact, it seems that 7x binoculars are no longer big business for manufacturers.

Andreas

 

[gweller]

+1 makes 8.

Or is is +2 as my Curio’s arrive today to join the 7x42 Habicht’s?

So 9 it is.

Add an extra 2 for me to make it 11! (7x21 Curio and 7x35 Retrovid). Wouldn't it be nice if Swaro took a leaf out of Leica's book and bought back an updated version of their SLC 7x30? Oh well one can dream....

 

[Dennis Mau]

Add an extra 2 for me to make it 11! (7x21 Curio and 7x35 Retrovid). Wouldn't it be nice if Swaro took a leaf out of Leica's book and bought back an updated version of their SLC 7x30? Oh well one can dream....

Swarovski dropped the SLC 7x30 because it didn't sell. They would have to be stupid to bring out an updated version. Swarovski knows what sells. You don't. Why do you think they brought out the CL 8x30 and CL 10x30? Because that is the format that sells.

 

[gweller]

Swarovski dropped the SLC 7x30 because it didn't sell. They would have to be stupid to bring out an updated version. Swarovski knows what sells. You don't. Why do you think they brought out the CL 8x30 and CL 10x30? Because that is the format that sells.

So by your reasoning Leica were also "stupid" to bring out the 7x35 Retrovid, a binocular that has generated a lot of praise and interest here? And were Swaro being "stupid" in bringing out the 7x21 Curio??

 

[Dennis Mau]

So by your reasoning Leica were also "stupid" to bring out the 7x35 Retrovid, a binocular that has generated a lot of praise and interest here?

Read post #75. The sales for 7x compared to 8x is about 1 to 50. Leica doesn't sell squat compared to what Swarovski sells. The Retrovid is just a fair weather binocular for the Leica community, and Leica doesn't care if they sell a lot of them. It is for a niche market. It is similar to their Ostrich covered UV 8x20's. How many of those do you think they sell? They probably sell 1 Retrovid for every 50 CL 8x30's. If you don't believe it, try selling one. It took me forever to sell my Retrovid and there was a Retrovid in the Classifieds that was there for months. When I advertised my CL 8x30, I sold it in one day.

 

[Trinovid]

I really think this is a cheese dome view.
If you read the posts here, you could quickly get the impression that every second person uses 7x binoculars, but the reality is different.

I wouldn’t get that impression at all and as accurate as all of your information is, mine is too.

The cheese dome view absolutely should absolutely be attributed to the poster who posits that there is no market for 7x and goes on to denigrate anyone who disagrees. More than useless as a source of information and now in arguments with anyone who doesn’t go along with his delusional banter.