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New Retrovid 7x35 (1 Viewer)

Not to mention, this whole magilla..
From chill6x6x, Retrovid 7X35 a viable birding binocular? Found here,
 
I wondered if something was lemony when I read this thread this morning.
My 7x35 Retrovid comes to focus very easily and precisely. No hunting for focus for me.
And I didn't notice any difference in dof in comparison with my UV+ 7x42s.
Only yesterday I was aware that the Retrovids handle glare well while looking towards the low winter sun and across the sun's refection on open water and thinking how well it behaved. Much better than Swaro EL SV 8x32s. Much much better.
The slow focus I can live with. It is what it is and I can adapt to it.
These are my favourite birding bins now. Small, light weight and 7x with a large exit pupil. I have been waiting for that combination for years, even a decade
 
Has anyone compared the new retro to the original for optics? Also, on the small eye-cup diameter, given that the retro and the original are a bit different, it appears that the original 7x35 might have a bit longer of eye-cups; 'diameter' wise.... true or false? jim
 
I, for my part, liked the 7x35 when I tried it last year. But I have no doubt galazie is seeing what he reports, and I thank him for taking the time to inform us of his observations and findings.

It might be worth trying another sample to see if the optics are in any way better - sample variation does happen, and those of us blessed/cursed with in galazie's words "more demanding eyes" than other people (and he's not the only one with more demanding eyes - I'm sure guys like henry link see things I would miss) are more likely to need to try a few before finding one they are fully happy with.
 
Imans66, post 24,
On the WEB-site of House of Outdoor you can find an extensive test report of Leitz/Leica 7x35 Trinovids from different years and their performance is compared with the Leica Retrovid 7x35. It is in English so you do not have to struggle wth translations.
Gijs van Ginkel
 
Sounds like a possible lemon. Focus hunting is often a sign of the presence of defects like astigmatism or excessive spherical aberration, which could also explain your impression of shallow DOF. True DOF in binoculars varies only with changes in magnification, but shallow DOF can be mimicked by high aberrations.

It also seems odd that glare resistance is poor. That's usually a strong point in Leica binoculars, but not always in some other "alphas".
At this moment i still don't think the binoculars have any significant issue. It is just the way it is to my eyes. But i am open to the possibility of getting another sample to try. Maybe when there is a discount, or if a second hand one comes up. Then i will keep the better one and sell the other

Now after another few days, i am getting used to finding the focus point. It is there. Not hard to find. Just that it is not the sharpness i am used to, so when i got there i still 'want' more.

I mean it is not as sharp as the EDG 7x42 or Fujinon 6x30 that i usually use. Not a problem, just not the best
 
Hi again Galazie,

I take your point about different users having differing degrees of appreciation of/ sensitivity to various optical phenomena. However, in relation to aspects such as the focus action and image qualities, your experiences seem to differ radically from other 7x35 Retrovid users
e.g. see some comments from Roger Vine at: Leica Trinovid 7x35 ('Retrovid') Review

'Focus action is silky smooth, accurate and free of shift or backlash, effectively perfect . . . Again, the action is ideal – accurate and smooth and just stiff enough to prevent you shifting it by accident.'

'Resolution seems outstandingly good. Watching a crow strutting in the rain, I can see every detail of feather and beaded droplets shining on his back. Colour is naturally rendered and sharpness outstanding. Focus snap is exceptionally good too, indicating high optical quality.'

'The low false colour, wide real field of view, high resolution and good depth of field make these great for finding and watching birds on the wing and I have fun watching my local Jackdaws wheeling about in stormy winds.'

'Forget any idea that ‘Made in Portugal’ means build quality is second rate. These are some of the most beautifully made binos, optically and mechanically, I have ever seen, with flawless build and operation.'


And more regarding CA (which Roger is particularly observant of) and stray lighting:
'False colour is very well controlled and you’d be forgiven for thinking there’s none at all. Actually, there is a trace of purple edging a chimney pot in silhouette, or when panning through branches under a bright dusk sky; but even the field edge, where other distortions creep in, doesn’t reveal too much. Viewing birds in high branches is never an issue. False colour levels are actually slightly lower than the Trinovid HDs I reviewed.'

'I had no problems with stray light. Even the full Moon yielded just one dimmish ghost, a security light ditto. This is another area they beat the Trinovid HDs, which produced long prism spikes when set on a very bright light.'


The above is in the context of multiple structured reviews that Roger has conducted over the years, see at: Binocular Reviews

The concern of others and myself is that your impressions seem to differ far more than what individual differences between observers would indicate, and hence your particular unit may not be up to specification. Ideally you should be choosing to use it, not in spite of optical limitations, but rather because of the strength of the optical performance.


John
John

I agreed

Just want to clarify further that, all the weak points here are based on comparison with my EDG 7x42 and Fujinon 6x30, those i have been using the most, every day. So the Leica is being compared with the best. So far i found it to be 1 step below the best. The difference is not large or annoying. But obvious.

I haven't used the Ultravid 7x42 hd plus

Then i compared the Retrovid with my Meopta Meostar 7x50, and found that the Retrovid is better optically and mechanically

So a set of 1500$ binoculars is not as good as a 2000$ one, and better than a ~1000$ one. In that perspective, that makes sense
 
I, for my part, liked the 7x35 when I tried it last year. But I have no doubt galazie is seeing what he reports, and I thank him for taking the time to inform us of his observations and findings.

It might be worth trying another sample to see if the optics are in any way better - sample variation does happen, and those of us blessed/cursed with in galazie's words "more demanding eyes" than other people (and he's not the only one with more demanding eyes - I'm sure guys like henry link see things I would miss) are more likely to need to try a few before finding one they are fully happy with.
Thanks. And yes. I seems to like the Retrovid enough to think of getiing another pair, maybe next year, to compare, then keep the better one and sell the other

I agree on sample variation.

I have 3 sets of Fujinon 6x30, they are all different to each other. One can easily rank them 1, 2, 3 in optical excellence. My 3rd one is the best
 
When i went for a walk on a sunny morning, the sun was about less than 30 degrees in the sky. The sky was very bright, but the ground between the trees and the building was still in the shade. I was in that shade as well. So when i use the Retrovid to view things on the ground, facing the direction of the sun, there was a thin veil of light in the lower 50% of the FOV- reflection of the bright sky. In the EDG there is also the thing. But in the Leica there is more

In the upper 50% of the FOV, the view is still clear in both the Retrovid and the EDG, but the EDG was able to maintain a cleaner view.

Depending on the angle against the sun, similar thing can occur to the 50% view to the left or the right

The difference is not large, but it is there, and i have always notice it more instantly in the retrovid than in the edg
 
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GrampaTom, post 27,
You hit the nail on the head, that is the report with historical Leitz/Leica 7x35 Trinovids compared with the Leica Retrovid 7x35.
Gijs van Ginkel
 
Thanks. And yes. I seems to like the Retrovid enough to think of getiing another pair, maybe next year, to compare, then keep the better one and sell the other

I agree on sample variation.

I have 3 sets of Fujinon 6x30, they are all different to each other. One can easily rank them 1, 2, 3 in optical excellence. My 3rd one is the best
So why not get rid of the two inferior Fujinons...... just curious.
I wouldn't want to look through the other two, only the best one....
 
True DOF in binoculars varies only with changes in magnification, but shallow DOF can be mimicked by high aberrations.
Henry, but my Nikon SP 7x50 has better DOF than my EDG 7x42. At least to my eyes. Are there other aspects of quality that impact the DOF (true or apparent)?
 
So why not get rid of the two inferior Fujinons...... just curious.
I wouldn't want to look through the other two, only the best one....
They are all so good. the other two are still so good. And they are slightly diffrent from each other in colour rendition. All are lovely. Like 3 different binos. I haven't wanted to get rid of any. One of them is on loan to friends
 
Has anyone compared the new retro to the original for optics? Also, on the small eye-cup diameter, given that the retro and the original are a bit different, it appears that the original 7x35 might have a bit longer of eye-cups; 'diameter' wise.... true or false? jim
Hi Imans66

The eyecups are
Retro 133mm
Orig 139mm
This is greater because the fold down rubber eyecup flares outwards when up and doubles in thickness when rolled down.
The e/p lenses (the actual glass) are
Retro 21mm.
Orig 19mm

In the photos both bins are set to my ipd 60mm
 

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I haven't compared the optics of grandma and grandchild. The granny doesn't have enough e/r for my glasses and I have astigmatism so can't assess them without my glasses. Catch 22.

What I can say within my limitations is that the Retrovid is brighter and sharper to my eye and has a bigger sweetspot. It a very marked improvement on the original.
The original has much less e/r. I struggle to see the full fov even without my glasses on and the eyecup rolled down.
 
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