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steve, I think we have realised that hands are tied at cresswell, there isnt much flexibilty cos of the shrimps. Please keep us informed about the islands, although its probably getting late to put them in this year.

However we require more honest about the north pool at east chev. Its been said the south pool is kept high on purpose, to encourage bitterns. Also the harriers are the important species on south pool, and need to be catered to.

However, unless a sensible reason can be demonstrated, the north pool needs sorting out. I suggest the use of a graphene solar powered water pump to maintain the lvls+ a sluice at south end to stop back flow.......we`ve been told in past the south end, of the north pool, doesnt flow(out into the sea), as its uphill.....?!
Is there any management reason for keepin the north pool at a certain height?
Can we add couple of islands or roosting areas, to replace the ones crumbling away? these could be barrel islands like at druruidge pools/bigwaters.
 
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steve, I think we have realised that hands are tied at cresswell, there isnt much flexibilty cos of the shrimps. Please keep us informed about the islands, although its probably getting late to put them in this year.

However we require more honest about the north pool at east chev. Its been said the south pool is kept high on purpose, to encourage bitterns. Also the harriers are the important species on south pool, and need to be catered to.

However, unless a sensible reason can be demonstrated, the north pool needs sorting out. I suggest the use of a graphene solar powered water pump to maintain the lvls+ a sluice at south end to stop back flow.......we`ve been told in past the south end, of the north pool, doesnt flow(out into the sea), as its uphill.....?!
Is there any management reason for keepin the north pool at a certain height?
Can we add couple of islands or roosting areas, to replace the ones crumbling away? these could be barrel islands like at druruidge pools/bigwaters.

Absolute nonsense, and no pump is needed. The channel from the north pool to the confluence with the Chevington Burn at Chibburn Mouth is mostly the original course of the Ladyburn - the only part of that stream, which rose just north of Hadston that still exists, and it is protected, as it was throughout the life of East Chevington mining - when it flowed freely.

The reason it doesn't flow is that it's been allowed to become choked with reed growth over the years and that has stopped the north pool draining. God knows what the years of evaporation without a good flow-through has done to the concentration of agricultural run-off and water quality in the pool. Has anyone from the trust checked the BOD in recent times?

The last time the channel was cleared under the 'five-year plan' was in February 2010 and unfortunately even that effort was wasted because the machine provided couldn't reach the ditch to clean it out over a section of about 100 yards behind the bracken mound on the dunes, leaving what was in effect a dam. The excavator boom on the machine was too short and although a promise was made at the time to have this put right by the weekend, to this day it has never been touched.

For more detail read down from this link, starting at post 5431.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=36750&page=218

It's strange that for years after the hand-over the north pool drained properly through the Ladyburn, but once the reed growth was allowed to slow the flow (and eventually block it altogether) the stagnation that persists to this day has become seen as 'normal' and 'unavoidable'.

Those who went to see the Terek sandpiper and the white-winged black tern in 2003 may recall that there was an extensive area of mud at the south end of the pool as there usually was in those years after the winter floods had subsided, and this was in early June, not late August, when if we are lucky these days the 'goalposts' reappear after a summer's evaporation (and concentration of the winter's run-off to add to what has gone before) at the south end of the pool and a few square yards of mud reappear before the rains of September. You may note that although birds roost, bathe and rest there, there isn't much feeding going on these days, unlike in the south pool when the level drops.

The south pool is constantly refreshed by the flow of the Chevington Burn. It's alive. The north pool doesn't have a burn flowing through it to replace the water. Its total catchment area is very small and consists of the agricultural fields that are all visible from the south end of that pool, to the edge of Druridge Bay Country Park, at which point the water sheds north to the country park lake. The catchment is tiny. In 1995, as the pool was starting to fill on completion I calculated that it would take two years of normal rainfall to fill it (108 weeks if I remember correctly). In 1997 I was proved right. (I have photographs I took from a helicopter in June 1996 that show the north pool half full, with the deep water areas part flooded and the shallow perimeter dry.) This means that there is no constant flow through the pool to keep it fresh, unless the outlet is clear. Its only replenishment is through very restricted local rainfall.


There is nothing physically to prevent the north pool draining by gravity, other than years of neglect in keeping the outlet channel clear.

I've said much on this topic in the past and it's clear from what has been written here that it has fallen on deaf ears. For those who are interested enough I suggest they read the discussion in the link, pages 217, 218 & later, 271 of this thread.

As for myself, I've given up trying to persuade people of the situation that I am familiar with through my own professional experience and I'll now go back to a period of silence. I've given my thoughts in the older posts, and nothing has changed since then, except the heightened level of the Ladyburn bed through rampant reed growth.
 
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Hi Alan,

I was hoping you would see this discussion and have a input, i wish the NWT would meet with you or at least get in touch with you about East Chevington as its obvious through your profession and experience of East Chevington you know how it works.
Steve,
please get in touch with Alan Gilbertson about East Chevington, we could have a superb reserve once again that caters for every species of bird.
 
Hi Alan,

I was hoping you would see this discussion and have a input, i wish the NWT would meet with you or at least get in touch with you about East Chevington as its obvious through your profession and experience of East Chevington you know how it works.
Steve,
please get in touch with Alan Gilbertson about East Chevington, we could have a superb reserve once again that caters for every species of bird.

Hi Dave. Thanks for the comments. I've added a couple of edits to my post above with added information.

Other than that I've very little to add other than drawing attention to the following facts.

The outfall stream from the north pool is governed by three fixed points, all on original ground and on the original course of the Ladyburn, none subject to any imagined subsidence.

The first (and highest) of these is the hard invert of the bed of the sluice at the south end of the pool, which has never been put to its intended use (as designed in the 90s by NWT) as I explained on page 218.

The second is the invert level of the pipe that carries the stream across the old coal road track to the dunes. This was put in as far as I recall at the time of the construction of the coal road for Coldrife site (now the country park) in 1966. My late father-in-law was a ganger on the building of the road, and it was from this road that I had my first view of Chibburn Mouth from the back of a Land Rover on my way to Coldrife Site when I began work as a surveyor in 1969. This pipe is below the level of the sluice, so water will flow from the lake to the crossing, if it is allowed.

The third is the inlet pipe to the concrete culvert at Chibburn Mouth, at the south end of the burn in the dunes. It in turn is lower than the pipe under the old road, so no 'uphill' sections. If the channel is clear, water will run.

So in simple terms, all that is required to get the north pool outlet stream to flow as it did happily for hundreds of years until the mid 2000s is to ensure that the channels between these three points are kept as they used to be, without any high spots to prevent flow. These high spots are presently created by vegetation growing and blocking the channel. It used to be called routine maintenance when I was contract managing that sort of thing as an engineer later in my career, but according to the response I had to my comments in 2010 this isn't routine any more.

To me, it's simple. It's not rocket science.

There are three points, each one lower than the one to its north. All it needs is that they are kept so that water can move from one to the other.

It's a fact that the gradient is slack. It always was slack, even before mining and it always will be. It's the Northumberland coastal plain and that plain is flat. Look at the land south of Druridge for an example.

The fact of the slackness of the gradient is an indication that it needs more, not less management and there should be constant effort to ensure its flow. It's no good relying on a figure plucked out of thin air such as 'clean every five years' in situations like this. If restricted flow means that it needs cleaned after three, or even two years, then clean it. If there is growth developing that is likely to cause a problem, shift it before it does. Don't say something like 'It's not in this year's schedule, we'll be doing it the year after next'. A stitch in time saves nine.


The problem now is that it's April. We're once more into another breeding season, so even if an outbreak of rationality were to happen, nothing can be done to fix the pool until the autumn, and another year is lost.

I really have nothing to say other than this to the NWT.

I wrote to them years ago pointing out these same problems in 2008 and received a brush-off. I'm still awaiting a reply to my response to it. I have no intention to getting into bed with them now so that they can say I was 'consulted' when they carry on doing what they would have done anyway.

It's not rocket science. They have a slope. All they have to do is make water run down it.
 
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They are more concerned in obtaining grants which they then can administer, so keeping them in a job, you can't blame them to some degree,

Errrr, yes we can !!!!!! Are you implying that it is acceptable for people in a position of responsibility to take money that is intended for good causes and merely use it to perpetuate their careers ??????

Richard
 
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Alan - thanks for the potted history to which I will add - it feels like a dissertation paper but here goes!
East Chevington was originally designed to be a reedbed site with a tiny amount of open water. As I recall (although I was only a volunteer at the time), John Stephenson from British Coal Opencast Executive got Bert Axcell up from Cley Marshes to help design a site that would attract those reedbed specialists, in particular based on the size of reeds required to attract Marsh Harrier on the basis that if they were ok then everything else should be.
This included a system of cells which could be individually closed off to allow reed management, plus a herring bone drainage pattern using ridge and furrow so that there would be different water depths as preferred by Bittern.
Over time these ideas appear to have been eroded and the final form of the site is different to intended, with deeper water and none of the divisions for water level management. Presumably this was down to cost although it would have been infinitely cheaper to install than to retrofit such measures.
In addition, the wider catchment has a bearing upon water quantity (and quality) and much of it has been manipulated over the years because of opencasting.
Chevington Burn (which includes Steads Burn and Woodside Burn) meet at Red Row where they go into a large man made “splitter”. Some of the flow diverts directly into Chevington Burn with the rest going to the Country Park. This is currently only operating in high flows as it doesn’t appear to have been maintained and the Chevington channel is choked with vegetation. This also receives road run off where the burn goes beneath the B1068. In many parts it still runs via culverts.
East Chevington Lake gets water via the other diversion and is also linked to the Country Park as overflow water from there is diverted to East Chev. This has no control mechanism so when Ladyburn is high, East Chev is also topped up.
This water course has failed its classification by the Environment Agency under the Water Framework Directive because it has very high levels of pollution, which arise from a number of “unknown” sources. This usually means agricultural runoff.
EA, Northumberland Rivers Trust and NWT are looking at ways of addressing some of these issues, which include creating additional flood storage ponds and reedbeds elsewhere along the catchment among other measures. That should cut out or slow some of the input.
As Alan says, the flow out of the main lake is slack (I think a fall of 30cms over 1km) but it does flow slowly. The management plan suggests a 5 year maintenance of the channel. Any good plan should review such measures and adapt. I would suggest now is a good time to review this as the work elsewhere will also provide an opportunity to harvest reeds.
Bearing in mind that East Chevington is not planned as a wader pond, nevertheless conditions could be enhanced. NWT also has the agricultural land, which is currently tenanted. This land offers opportunities for wider wildlife management and wetland habitat creation and this will be an option soon.
NWT did organise drop ins which were advertised via social media, this site, NTBC and local newspapers but only two people attended. On behalf of NWT, I would be more than happy to offer to do this again because NWT DO care about the wildlife and want to try and make it work.
 
Steve I remember the lead-up to the development of the reedbeds and you are right in that the original idea was that there would be '100 acres of reeds'. I recall Nick Scott from NWT and his hope that bittern, marsh harrier and bearded tit would be attracted to the reeds. He was derided to some extent at the time, but he has been proved right.

There was an idea that it would be a continuous reedbed from north to south, but the insistence that the road from Red Row to the beach should be put back on its original course put paid to that.

However in more recent times a consultation went out on the management plan for the reserve. I was invited to comment on the consulation. Parts of it were impractical, such as putting gates at the Red Row end of the road to prevent vehicular access. Not really possible when that road is a public road and not part of the reserve.

Other parts of it were rather poor ideas, such as the proposal to put in metal hides, with the idea that they would be fire-proof (this was just after the wooden hide that had been built at great expense burnt down). I recall saying in my response that metal hides were a bad idea - 'too hot in the summer, too cold in the winter and too noisy all the year round' were the words I used. I suggested that breeze block construction such as had been successfully used for the Oddie hide would be better.

Metal hides went in. Ask the local users of the reserve what they think of them.

Another part of that plan (and here we get to the point) was that there was an area of mud at the south end of the north pool that had proved of value to waders, so as a departure from the original 100 acre proposal it was planned that an area of bare mud should be maintained at that point so that waders could continue to use it.

Well it hasn't. It's still mud, but it's underwater for about 49 weeks of the year.

Your 5 year plan does need revisited. Stream maintenance is no good being treated on a five year basis, particularly when it is now over 5 years since it was last cleared and then it was incomplete and totally ineffective as I have pointed out. In effect that stream hasn't been properly maintained for closer to ten years than 5.

Regarding the low attendance at your consultation meetings, rather than complaining that people aren't turning up with the implication that they aren't bothered, maybe you should ask yourself why it is that NWT can't get them to discuss something that they clearly do care about. Maybe it's that they think that NWT is just going through a cosmetic exercise and if they turn up they won't be listened to and NWT will just go on its merry way, saying that the people have been consulted.

Northumberland Wildlife Trust should consider the other meanings of the third word in that name. 'Trust' has more than one meaning and it seems to me that the local users of the reserves just don't trust the trust.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you might be a supporter of NUFC (or is it the other lot). It seems to me that the reputation of NWT with many of its members, ex-members and non-members is about as solid as the reputation of NUFC's current board amongst its frustrated supporters.
 
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Hi Richard – its Steve not Zappa – I don’t want to hide behind a screen name! I am a user of the sites and just happen to work for NWT. I am in the hides most weekends as a punter with my family. Say hi!

The channel was cleared by NCC recently due to flooding of the road. That was a bonus clearance! I have suggested NWT uses one of its soon and if needed another this spring. If we can “get away” with one, that leaves two for autumn passage.

If anyone knows a digger driver who is willing to do this at short notice let the Trust know. Both contractors last year failed to do the job. I understand NCC only get access to one when they have done graves at Cresswell Church!

Choosing the time and date of clearances is tricky. If it was done immediately, it could be blocked again the next day or even on the next tide. Any repeated clearance could have the same outcome and don’t forget that a clearance increases the opportunity for the tide to get into the pond as well, as has clearly been the case (see the tyres and other rubbish along the waters edge – I took a day off to clear it all last year so know its all new stuff).

With three chances, the choice is one or two in either spring or autumn. This is realistically to make (parts of?) the pond more suitable for wading species, which can be seen by users. Avocets taking up nesting space is a huge bonus although a species that chooses to breed on the waters edge is always vulnerable to level changes (Great Crested Grebe, etc).

I asked if a high water level might encourage birds to nest above the maximum level, thereby reducing the risk of wash outs. If the site wasn’t suitable, they make their own choice about where to go, but it might be out of view (which would be a shame for users but could improve breeding success). This question followed discussions with other site managers and birders. Clearing the channel could reduce the water level, encourage nest choices in poor (but visible) areas and the subsequent failure of breeding.

Recently tides have been very high and the bar limits incursion as well as outflow. The sandbar forms fairly quickly under normal conditions. In fact, this part of the coast wants to be a dune and this has been modelled by numerous experts, the most recent being the report that accompanied the sand extraction review at Hemscott Hill.

It may be possible to reduce freshwater inputs by flood storage ponds upstream and this was being considered before Alcan sold the farms. It may still be worth looking into although the potential of a large opencast mine has to be considered! In fact increasing the availability of habitat is the BEST option.

NWT will ask Natural England to consider amendments to the clearances or to instigate a study to look at management options. This could include changes to the internal flow up to the culvert (there is also a bar there) the use of arisings to make some small areas which could higher than normal and scraping the area in front of the hide (this used to be saltmarsh after all not reedbeds).

That where we are - I have tried to discuss the issues on behalf of NWT. Now on behalf of myself I am going to a darkened room to sob silently into a cushion before going out birding, hopefully to enjoy whatever I see (and there is always something that makes me go "Wow!"
 
Northumberland Wildlife Trust should consider the other meanings of the third word in that name. 'Trust' has more than one meaning and it seems to me that the local users of the reserves just don't trust the trust.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you might be a supporter of NUFC (or is it the other lot). It seems to me that the reputation of NWT with many of its members, ex-members and non-members is about as solid as the reputation of NUFC's current board amongst its frustrated supporters.[/QUOTE]

Alan - thanks for the comments - sincerely. As a frustrated NUFC fan I understand the point you are making although if NWT had 50,000 members I think things would be different ;)

All I can add is that I am trying to be genuine in responding and feeding back to the wider Trust. I am doing this because I personally care about Druridge and am trying to initiate positive change. If I didnt I wouldn't bother posting, particularly on those few days I get to myself!
 
`NWT did organise drop ins which were advertised via social media, this site, NTBC and local newspapers but only two people attended. `

Well I fully intended to come along but fell ill that weekend......people have lives...things crop up!

I know this maybe be unpopular with some of the older birders here, but why dont we start a facebook grp?

`Druridge waders support group` or something.....:p

tbh whatever medium is used, some interested party will not get the info. Lets be honest, alot of knowledgeable birders in the area, arent that net savvy. Also plenty avoid birdforum, as its too full of drama queens :)
 
This old chestnut has been going on for decades, i was instrumental in getting the original birders conference held at Hauxley. Much being discussed today was discussed then, it was well attended and although somewhat shocked by the lack of understanding by the trust many points were hammered out and promises made.

By the next one little had been done and the birders felt that there was little point if all that was given was lip service, so i suppose lack of attendance is not surprising at later events.

I used to be a loyal member of NWT, enjoyed volunteering for tasks etc,but over time things changed and i found that being taken for granted and in turn condescended too, I left as have many others over the years.

There was a nice buzz about Cresswell in the early days, but its long gone. Ive always puzzled why the Trust seem to set out alienate the largest user group of its reserves and such a large potential of membership and money which is something they do need.

Nick Scott was a dynamic personality and got bums on seats, as was Alex Cole, both sadly long gone. More like these two would in my opinion would find people perhaps again thinking of rejoining, though i expect this topic will still be discussed in 10 years time.

Certainly Cresswell is a pale shadow of its former years, Chevington looked great in its initial form, but Bitterns, Beardies and Marsh Harriers were great additions, however we are short of good coastal wader habitat, that the bay used to offer, more is needed to be done to improve the situation, we can but live in hope.
 
Everyone seems to just mention Cresswell and East Chevington but if you look at Hauxley, Linton pond and Holywell pond they are all in the same boat, great potential but sadly always underwhelming. Northumberland could be as good as Norfolk, but we need it managed correctly.
 
In their defence against all those complaining, how many were members, or went on tasks to improve sites. ?

A new approach from both sides is needed.
 
In their defence against all those complaining, how many were members, or went on tasks to improve sites. ?

A new approach from both sides is needed.


I was a member and I resigned as a result of the mismanagement of the water levels in 2008 when I wrote to them and told them precisely why, over two letters. As I've said I'm still waiting for a reply to the second one.

I supervised the lake repairs in 1981 at Hauxley as part of my job and also went down in my own time to keep an extra eye on the place and check it over many a time. I supervised the transfer of the phragmites reeds from Chibburn Mouth to the beds on the lakeside at Hauxley in the following year.

I chased a couple of shooters who chucked their AYA 12 bore into the grass behind where the tern hide stands and confronted them when they came back for it with their tails between their legs.

I went down without instruction and off my own bat in the early to mid 1980s before the wildlife trust came on the scene on many occasions to clear sand and boulders from in front of the flap valve that used to cover the Bondicarr outlet, much as the bar blocks Cresswell when the wind and tides are wrong. When the water level at Hauxley got too high because the sand was preventing the valve opening, I went down to clear it, so reducing the water level for waders.

I've also done a bit more and got stuck in more recently. Cresswell, 2009 below.

And I've complained constructively to anyone who would listen and a lot of people who wouldn't.

Is that plenty?
 

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I was a member and I resigned as a result of the mismanagement of the water levels in 2008 when I wrote to them and told them precisely why, over two letters. As I've said I'm still waiting for a reply to the second one.

I supervised the lake repairs in 1981 at Hauxley as part of my job and also went down in my own time to keep an extra eye on the place and check it over many a time. I supervised the transfer of the phragmites reeds from Chibburn Mouth to the beds on the lakeside at Hauxley in the following year.

I chased a couple of shooters who chucked their AYA 12 bore into the grass behind where the tern hide stands and confronted them when they came back for it with their tails between their legs.

I went down without instruction and off my own bat in the early to mid 1980s before the wildlife trust came on the scene on many occasions to clear sand and boulders from in front of the flap valve that used to cover the Bondicarr outlet, much as the bar blocks Cresswell when the wind and tides are wrong. When the water level at Hauxley got too high because the sand was preventing the valve opening, I went down to clear it, so reducing the water level for waders.

I've also done a bit more and got stuck in more recently. Cresswell, 2009 below.

And I've complained constructively to anyone who would listen and a lot of people who wouldn't.

Is that plenty?

Well done for being so involved in the past. It must be very frustrating and disenchanting for you to see the neglect. It seems that NWT will probably never do the necessary work on a regular basis.

You would have thought that some higher authority would demand a greater effort from them to manage water levels correctly. I suspect that if questioned, they know just what to say if they don't fancy spending the money. It's a shame there isn't a way someone like yourself with excellent local and professional knowledge could question them in a more public and formal way.

Richard.
 
I was a member and I resigned as a result of the mismanagement of the water levels in 2008 when I wrote to them and told them precisely why, over two letters. As I've said I'm still waiting for a reply to the second one.

I supervised the lake repairs in 1981 at Hauxley as part of my job and also went down in my own time to keep an extra eye on the place and check it over many a time. I supervised the transfer of the phragmites reeds from Chibburn Mouth to the beds on the lakeside at Hauxley in the following year.

I chased a couple of shooters who chucked their AYA 12 bore into the grass behind where the tern hide stands and confronted them when they came back for it with their tails between their legs.

I went down without instruction and off my own bat in the early to mid 1980s before the wildlife trust came on the scene on many occasions to clear sand and boulders from in front of the flap valve that used to cover the Bondicarr outlet, much as the bar blocks Cresswell when the wind and tides are wrong. When the water level at Hauxley got too high because the sand was preventing the valve opening, I went down to clear it, so reducing the water level for waders.

I've also done a bit more and got stuck in more recently. Cresswell, 2009 below.

And I've complained constructively to anyone who would listen and a lot of people who wouldn't.

Is that plenty?

Yes but then i know who you are and have done many of the same things myself no complaints about you A, we know fully where the blame falls.

They want the money but not the input from members unless it agrees with the creed. I will bow out of this now as ive been down the road too many times. Without a regime change it will continue to decline.
 
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