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Osprey taxonomy (2 Viewers)

The next valid name for the Australian Osprey, I meant. I now think it is P. gouldii, I should have read "Order names" first. Pandion gouldii Kaup Isis 1847 p. 270

Johann Jacob von Dr. Kaup

Storrs Olson thinks S.D.W. is Charles Thorold Wood father of Neville Wood a big believer of phrenology!
http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Wilson/v101n04/p0633-p0637.pdf .

Strickland tore him a new blowhole here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Gq...s+of+Hugh+Edward++Strickland&client=firefox-a .

And he is mentioned here:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=ab440724f43a47f4ebffd549953a5f25 .

Other names for Australian Osprey?
Pandion haliaetus var. Nouvelle Hollande (Lesson 1831) Pucher Rev. et Mag. Zool. Paris 1850
• Pandion haliaetus australis Burmeister, 1850
Pandion haliaetus minor Schleg. 1869
• Pandion haliaetus melvillensis Mathews, 1912
 
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Laurent, what do you mean in saying that Pandion leucocephalus is available? You do not suggest that the osprey from Britain should be renamed this?
I think you are confusing two notions - availability and validity.

Nomenclatural availability simply means that a name has been introduced in a "correct" way - it must have been published (in the sense of the Code), in a work applying binomial nomenclature consistently, must be written using the Latin alphabet, must have been accompanied by a description or an indication, and so on... (The requirements are covered by Chapter 4 of the ICZN; there are more and stricter requirements for recent names, but less and more loosy ones for older names.)
If a name is available, it just "enters the arena" of nomenclature.

The "valid name" of a taxon is the name that correctly applies to it according to the rules of nomenclature. This name is always one of the available names that demonstrably apply to the taxon -- usually the oldest one, except if this one is invalidated for some other reason (e.g., because it is a junior homonym of a name that applies to another taxon).

If Pandion leucocephalus "N.F." is available, it is:
- A junior synonym of Falco Haliaetus Linnaeus, 1758. But the latter has priority, thus is and must remain the valid name of Eurasian ospreys.
- A senior primary homonym of Pandion leucocephalus Gould, 1840. "Primary homonym" means that not only the species-group names have the same spelling, but they also were originally proposed in combination with the same genus-group name. A junior primary homonym can normally not become a valid name - thus, the existence of an available senior homonym should imply that Pandion leucocephalus Gould cannot become the valid name of Australian ospreys.

(There is a "but", here, though...
Article 23.9 of the present Code allows for a reversal of precedence when it is discovered that a name that is in prevailing usage has an old senior homonym that nobody is using anymore. Two conditions must be met (Art. 23.9.1):
- the senior homonym must not have been used as a valid name after 1899, and
- the junior homonym must have been used for a particular taxon, as its presumed valid name, in at least 25 works, published by at least 10 authors in the immediately preceding 50 years and encompassing a span of not less than 10 years.
The first condition is more than likely met in the present case. But the second is probably more problematic, because most authors have been using cristatus (Vieillot) -- and therefore not leucocephalus Gould -- as the valid name of this taxon over the last 50 years. If this second condition happened to be met as well, then leucocephalus "N.F." should be declared a nomen oblitum (a forgotten name), and leucocephalus Gould a nomen protectum (a protected name). If so, continuing to use the latter would be OK.)

The next valid name for the Australian Osprey, I meant. I now think it is P. gouldii, I should have read "Order names" first. Pandion gouldii Kaup Isis 1847 p. 270
(You mean the next available name.)

Pandion gouldii Johann Jakob Kaup, 1847. Monographien der Genera der Falconidae. Isis (Oken), Jahrgang 1847 (IV): 270.
(New name for Pandion leucocephalus Gould, "der australische Milanaar", offered "Da wir bereits einen Haliaëtus leucocephalus haben" [because we already have a Haliaëtus leucocephalus].)
Full text here: http://www.archive.org/details/isisvonoken1847oken

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So, in conclusion, if the Australasian Osprey is a full species, it should be called Pandion gouldii (Johann Jakob Kaup, 1847)?

I wonder how many would be willing to throw out both the currently favored designations? I also wonder, should all this considerations also make gouldii the correct name for the subspecies, or is there any difference in rules for binomen and for subspecies designations?

Thanks
Niels
 
Laurent, thanks again for the education. As for Art. 23.9.1; I have already started looking for 25 works.
It has been used recently: "Marchant & Higgins (1993: 225, 233) admit only one Indo-Australian subspecies, for which, without explanation, they use the junior synonym leucocephalus instead of cristatus."

Interesting discussion of Australian Osprey here, pages 42-44:
http://www.repository.naturalis.nl/document/41318
 
I wonder how many would be willing to throw out both the currently favored designations?

Well, the idea here is that if leucocephalus has been used by only a very tiny minority of recent authors, it arguably does not deserve to be called a "currently favored designation", and switching to it or to something else probably makes little difference...
If the second condition is not fulfilled, but there is a very strong feeling that leucocephalus should nevertheless be preserved, there is still a last solution, though: an application could be submitted to the Commission, asking them to reject the senior homonym under the plenary powers.

I also wonder, should all this considerations also make gouldii the correct name for the subspecies, or is there any difference in rules for binomen and for subspecies designations?

There is no difference.
What determines the valid name of a species or subspecies is its circumscription, and the set of available species-group names that are attached to organisms that fall within this circumscription. The rank at which you treat the taxon is taxonomy, not nomenclature, and has no influence.

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Laurent:
Buteo cristatus cannot be the Australian Osprey. But P. cristatus is the current valid name. How does one invalidate it? By what means? There are hundreds of citations to P. leucocephalus from 1838 until 1912. Then Matthews in the Austral Avian Record changed it to P. h. cristatus. (He also named melvillensis, and then repudiated melvillensis in 1916) Matthews had the mihi itch??? Matthews was wrong to change to cristatus. Gould's leucocephalus is based upon a real Osprey, with the type from the Baudin Expedition? The same type specimen that Lesson in 1831 described Pandion fluvialus var. Nouvelle Hollande ? http://books.google.com/books?id=lA...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#PPA46,M1 page 46. http://books.google.com/books?id=-f...dq=Revue++Zoologique+Pandion&client=firefox-a .

I still like P. gouldii because Kaup figured out that leucocephalus was not available?, valid?
 
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I found a citation for P. leucocephalus by Gould in 1832 a few years earlier than the S.D.W. citation.
Pandion Leucocephalus, Gould, 1832.—Mus. Jard., Brit.
This is from ORNITHOLOGICAL SYNONYMS. BY THE LATE HUGH EDWIN STRICKLAND

http://www.archive.org/stream/ornithologicalsy00stri/ornithologicalsy00stri_djvu.txt .

Gould published the last of A Century of Birds from the Himalaya Mountains in May 1832 and started The Birds of Europe in June 1832. In the Birds of Europe the Osprey is the 13th plate, likely published in 1832. Perhaps in the letter press he mentions and names an Osprey from Australia? This is one year after Lesson split the Osprey into three. Or this could be from a MS of the list of birds in the Jardine Museum or just the language of the label of the type specimen?? (see Art. 9.6)
 
Hi all,

While looking for taxonomical publication, did you find any interesting paper describing identification of those taxa?

I wonder if outside normal range an Osprey could be specifically identify with certainty...

Thanks

Valéry
 
Phylogeography and evolutionary history of a cosmopolitan raptor, the Osprey Pandion haliaetus, revealed by mitochondrial DNA: implications for conservation.

F. Monti, O. Duriez, V. Arnal & C. Montgelard

Despite wide differences in ecology and habitats across a world-wide distributional range, Osprey populations appear to be poorly differentiated from a morphological point of view. The most widely accepted taxonomic arrangement recognises a single species, Pandion haliaetus, with four subspecies classified on the basis of morphometric and plumage characteristics: P. h. haliaetus in the Palearctic and Africa, P. h. carolinensis in North America, P. h. ridgwayi in the Carribeans, and P. h. cristatus in the Indo-Pacific and Oceania. Despite this, the taxonomic status is still controversial and the evolutionary history of the species is not well understood. Here we present an extensive phylogeographic study based on mitochondrial DNA sequence (cytochrome b) extracted from >200 samples (both fresh tissues and ancient museum specimens) covering the totality of the world distribution for this species. The greatest genetic divergence was found between the Americas (combining spp carolinensis and ridgwayi) and all other populations. In the Old World, the phylogenetic analysis revealed three different branches for birds from Palearctic-Africa, Oceania and some birds from Indonesia. These results suggest at least 3 or 4 possible Evolutionary Significant Units (ESU). Contrary to current taxonomy, North American carolinensis Osprey did not differ from ridgwayi birds from the Caribbean. In the Western Palearctic, no genetic structure was detected between the most distant populations, from Finland to Mediterranean and the Atlantic islands. On the other hand, the existence of a previously unknown lineage and ESU from Indonesia remains to be confirmed by further studies. Finally, we discuss hypothetical evolutionary scenario explaining how species distribution and differentiation took place during the past. This work has implications for conservation strategies, not only by defining important areas for conservation, but also by helping prevent exchanges or introductions of individuals originating from different lineages.

26th International Ornithological Congress 2014, Tokyo
 
Monti et al 2015

Phylogeography and evolutionary history of a cosmopolitan raptor, the Osprey Pandion haliaetus, revealed by mitochondrial DNA: implications for conservation.
F. Monti, O. Duriez, V. Arnal & C. Montgelard
26th International Ornithological Congress 2014, Tokyo
Monti, Duriez, Arnal, Dominici, Sforzi, Fusani, Grémillet & Montgelard 2015. Being cosmopolitan: evolutionary history and phylogeography of a specialized raptor, the Osprey Pandion haliaetus. BMC Evol Biol 15: 255. [article] [pdf]

Poole et al 2014 (HBW Alive).
 
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Interesting. Thus, in comparison to the 2014 Tōkyō communication reported by Daniel in post #29, the "previously unknown lineage and ESU from Indonesia" would now appear to represent non-breeding birds from the East Asian population.

A cristatus in India...??
(Are there other known records? The Indian bird with an Australian haplotype that appears in the study is, additionally, presented as having been ID'd as cristatus based on morphology (cf. Additional File #1). But it's a (presumably old?) museum specimen lacking a date, so maybe it also has wrong geographical data...?)
 
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Wolfe: url]https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/auk/v063n04/p0586-p0587.pdf[/url]

"Pandion haliaetus friedmanni, subsp. nov.
Type.--Chicago Natural History Museum, specimen No. 102,903; adult female,
collected by A. S. Loukashkin, Sungari River Valley, near Harbin, northern Manchuria, May 6, 1940."

Some interesting historical context here. Harbin was occupied by the Japanese from 1931 to 1945. Harbin's Russian population, to which Loukashkin presumably belonged, had a troubled time, despite being neutral up to the time of Russia's late entry (9 August 1945) into the Far Eastern theatre of WWII: Russian forces took Harbin on 20 August 1945. Indeed, almost 50,000 who left for the Soviet Union in the mid-1930s were interned as 'Japanese spies'.

Harbin was the location of the notorious “Unit 731, who killed people of all ages and ethnicities. All these units were known collectively as the Epidemic Prevention and Water Purification Department of the Kwantung Army. The main facility of the Unit 731 was built in 1935 at Pingfang District, approximately 24 km south of urban Harbin. Between 3,000 and 12,000 citizens including men, women, and children—from which around 600 every year were provided by the Kempeitai—died during the human experimentation conducted by Unit 731 at the camp based in Pingfang alone, which does not include victims from other medical experimentation sites” (Wikipedia).

Several thousand Russians were allowed to transit Japanese-controlled China to Pacific ports from which they took whatever ships they could to neutral ports.

It's an interesting question then, as to how and when the friedmanni specimens got from Harbin to Chicago....
MJB
PS There's an interesting website of Manchurian-born Anatole S Loukashkin (1902-1988) by his son http://loukashkin.com/
 
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Forsman 2016

Forsman 2016. Flight Identification of Raptors of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. Bloomsbury.
VARIATION Occurs as nominate haliaeetus in the region, but resident birds from the Red Sea and Arabia may warrant taxonomic recognition (as 'Arabian Osprey'). ...
 
"...resident birds from the Red Sea and Arabia may warrant taxonomic recognition (as 'Arabian Osprey'). ..." The book also states "They are whiter and less marked below and the upperparts are often heavily worn and bleached...' There is one picture of a resident "local Red Sea form" figure 17.
 
Yes they indeed looks paler, BUT the fact that "...the upperparts are often heavely worn and bleached" sure IS NOT a character itself or anything that lead towards a different taxon. Simply, these population is longer exposed to sun-bleaching than the N European birds, also is more often exposed to sandy abrasion, to stronger ligth, to longer ligth exposure, and also breeding on the grounds the underparts become whiter and less marked soon !

So, it sure may be a different taxon deserving a name but not for these characters themself or alone ....
 
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