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Pocket binoculars that fit in your pocket! (3 Viewers)

Thanks Mike! I would definitely consider these as they look great, however I think I found what I am looking for. I’ll detail my thoughts here:

disclaimer I know very little about optics and am a complete novice

  1. Both come with pouches that can be affixed to a belt loop. Even there
  2. Both are genuinely pocketable. However, the hing design on the Vanguard makes less so. It would be awkward in smaller pockets. No issues sticking the Nikon into any pocket (see picture)
  3. The Vanguard are bulkier (more solid feeling) so some might like those if you have shaky hands?
  4. I found the focus on the Nikon much more easy to turn/get focused
  5. I much prefer the image in the Nikon, the colors are brighter and seem more saturated
  6. I very much have to struggle getting a clear image in the Vanguard. I have to open and close the hinge until I get a consistent image. With the Nikon I just raise the binocular and bam the image is there and clear with only manipulation of the focus wheel
  7. The Nikon has twist out extensions (eye cups?) that I don’t really know what for... but the Vanguard doesn’t have them. Maybe for glasses wearers? I didn’t have any issues pressing the brow against the eye pieces when extended, but some people might experience them collapsing easier than desired when viewing depending the angle you make contact. Just FYI, I like to rest the brow against the eye cup for stability so that is how I used them here.
  8. It seems as though I receive a bigger field of view with the Nikon. Not sure if that is actually the case, but it seems that way

  9. Conclusion: I could tell after the first use that I far prefer the Nikon. In fact it is everything I was looking for. A compact binocular that can literally fit in any pocket and taken everywhere. Gym shorts, dress shorts anything. And if you wanted to use the belt loop, I imagine they would be inconspicuous as well. Without offending anyone, I can’t imagine 600$+ making a big difference for the novice with these criteria. Obviously take my opinion with the knowledge that I know next to nothing about binoculars and these are only my thoughts. I’m sure the image is clearer on the edges etc. but looking through the Nikon, is almost as clear to me as my normal vision (for purposes here it is basically perfect vision) just magnified. My vote is that the Nikon would be a consideration when a suggestion is being made to a casual enthusiast who wants a pocket binocular .(But please note the bold words as these might not be best for serious birding or serious optic connoisseurs)

cmid,

Glad you are happy with the Nikons. Good write up on the comparison. Your points in (7) are spot on. The twist up eyecups on the Nikon are designed to be used/ adjusted according to whether you wear glasses and sometimes to help block out side light. Even If you are not wearing glasses, also try using the Nikons with the eye cups fully down braced on your brow. That's not the usual method but it can be good to be able to do it either way. The rubber eye cups on the Vanguard serve the same function it's just that you have to roll or fold them up or down. Other reviews agree with you, the Nikon eyecups tend to collapse too easily (another reason to experiment using with them all the way down even without glasses). It is good to be able to brace the eyecups against your brow although you may not always want or have to do that. For example in very humid conditions I keep eyecups fully twisted down and rest on my brow to avoid lens fogging.Sounds like you will soon be experimenting to find out what works best for you.

You are correct the Nikon has a wider FOV. Enjoy them in good health.

Mike
 
Swaro CL Pocket 8x25 and 10x25 are well worth your consideration. They compact down to a very small form factor. And they offer an excellent optical performance.

Good enough for you? We shall see!
 
I have the Ultravid 8x20BL (and Trinovid 8x20, Nikon Mikron 7x15 CM F and more monoculars than I’d care to count), but I prefer the Zeiss Victory Pocket 8x25 by a wide margin. Yes, they are bigger, but the usability jump is huge, at least for a glasses wearer like me.
I recently want to inquire a pocket binoculars and evaluated several of them. I ruled out Leica because of short eye relief since I wear eyeglasses. I juggled between the CL 8x25 and the VP 8x25 for a while and could not decide which one. I can try out the CL at local Cabela's but could not find any VP anywhere nearby. The only spec I concern is the eye relief! I am surprise with the fact that eye relief on the spec is 17mm for CL and 16.5mm for VP. However, many members posted here that said the VP is better for the eyeglasses wearers. I still concern that with the high profile eyecups as seen on the pictures for VP, that might be the problem not to see the entire view with eyeglass on.
 
Check out my review on the Maven 7x28

they offer advantages over current pocket binoculars such as more stable views, better exit pupils, relaxing views, sturdy construction. Plus they lay flat in my pants pocket without the bulge trifold binoculars normally cause

 
I recently want to inquire a pocket binoculars and evaluated several of them. I ruled out Leica because of short eye relief since I wear eyeglasses. I juggled between the CL 8x25 and the VP 8x25 for a while and could not decide which one. I can try out the CL at local Cabela's but could not find any VP anywhere nearby. The only spec I concern is the eye relief! I am surprise with the fact that eye relief on the spec is 17mm for CL and 16.5mm for VP. However, many members posted here that said the VP is better for the eyeglasses wearers. I still concern that with the high profile eyecups as seen on the pictures for VP, that might be the problem not to see the entire view with eyeglass on.


JC,

I own the CL and VP in 8x25 and the UV 8x20. All give me the full FOV with close fitting glasses. I prefer the VP for wider FOV and better handling. YMMV.

Mike
 
I ordered a VP from EuroOptic last Friday and received it yesterday. Took a 2 miles hike with my dogs and found it convenient with one hand usage on the trail. There are pro and con on both this VP and the CL but I ended up going with the VP for 2 reasons: I like the one hing design better than 2 on the CL. Many members gave hints that this VP is better for eyeglasses wearers and it's a true statement. Although I can't see the entire view on both VP (16.5mm ER) and CL (17mm ER), with the VP the FOV is substantial wider than the CL (390' vs 357'). Both weren't wide enough to see the edges on both sides but with the VP, it's less noticeable and more comfortable view due to the wider FOV. To see the entire view, I need at least 18mm ER.
 
One thing Zeiss needs to do for this small VP 8x25 and 10x25 is to make a lower profile eye cup to give the eyeglasses wearers the option to have more eye relief. It applies to the Swarovski CL as well!
 
I own both the Ultravid 8x20 and the Victory Pocket 8x25. I've tested them pretty extensively against each other as well as against the CL 8x25's, plus other 8x32's (including my wife's Conquest HD's you see in the photos). We were looking for small, lightweight binoculars for hiking. Neither of use wears glasses. As per all binoculars, you really need to test them out in person to truly get a feel for them, but here are my thoughts:

1. Regardless of what some people here are saying, take it from an actual owner - the VP's are very much a pocket binocular, even though they are slightly bigger than the Ultravids. I take them with me on hikes and near daily walks in the park - they always fit in my pockets. I use them without their case or strap - they fold up quite nicely. Obviously they won't fit in a tight jeans pocket (neither will the Ultravids or probably anything else for that matter). But they easily fit in the pockets of all my shorts, sweat pants, and track pants (all of which have regular sized pockets, not cargo sized). Anywhere the Ultravids go, these can go. The same can not be said with the Conquest HD 8x32's, which are significantly bigger and more than twice as heavy - they were always carried in their case, slung around my shoulder. Like many others here, my Victory Pocket's have replaced my 8x32's.

2. The VP's are definitely best-in-class optically. They are brighter, sharper and have a wider FOV than the CL's. Compared to the UV's it is more of the same, with brightness being even more significantly higher (as others have mentioned, they let in 56% more light than the 20mm objectives on the Ultravids). The tiny exit pupils on the UV mean they suffer a very noticeable drop in brightness in anything but very sunny conditions (even a cloudy day), whereas the VP's hold their own against even premium 8x32's. In fact, they are brighter, sharper and have less CA than the Conquest HD 8x32 - their tiny size and low weight (290g without a strap vs over 800g for the Conquests with their eyecups / covers / strap) make them significantly more pleasurable to use overall, right up until the last 10-15 minutes of the day. Given that more than 95% of my use is primarily during the day, I am more than happy to trade an extra few minutes of use for their outstanding optics and compactness.

3. The Ultravids are impressively tiny without a doubt - the leather covered barrels on my pair exude quality. But I find them a bit fiddly to use. While my wife doesn't have any issues with handling them, they are far too small for my hands - so small that I find them difficult to line up properly and rather awkward to grip. I'm also not a fan of their slippery, flimsy-feeling eyecups - the VP's are in a different league: very solid feeling, and locking with a satisfying click. And the small black leather case the Ultravids come with, while elegant and soft to the touch, offers very little protection against drops or knocks. The Zeiss case is quite solidly padded and is essentially a tiny version of the Victory SF case.

My first serious pair of binoculars were a pair of 8x32's. Like many, I sought a jack of all trades, but ended up with a master of none. Most 8x32's do not actually feel compact to me - in fact, they are not even significantly smaller or lighter than some 8x42's (ex: I have a Ultravid 10x42 that is very nearly the same size and weight than the Conquest HD 8x32 - so much so that they feel absolutely identical to carry on hikes). In his review of the Victory Pocket 8x25's on Scope Views, Roger Vine's asks: "instead of buying 8x32s, why not a full-sized pair and these as a lightweight backup?" I definitely echo his thoughts here - the VP's make a perfect pocket-sized companion for those occasions when you'd rather leave your 42's at home.
 

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So I have two "pocket" binoculars, the Zeiss Terra ED 8X25 and the Zeiss Victory Pocket 8X25. I've owned the Terra ED quite a while and only recently acquired the VP 8X25. Both will absolutely fold and fit in your SHIRT pocket. Really, I don't like to keep a binocular in a case except for storage or transportation. For me a binocular needs to be accessible in an instant so I really don't even keep them in a pocket though they will fit. I use a Rick Young UL harness for every binocular that keeps it against my chest with no flopping as I walk.

I really like the Terra ED. For the money it's going to be hard to beat. I recommend it without reservation. The focus is a little stiff but certainly manageable. It's a "dual hinge" design that I think I like a little more than the "single hinge" design of the VP but the jury is still out. I've actually only used the VP one time and that happened to be when the pictures below were taken so really I can't comment too much about the VP in actual use.
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Good advice as always. I’m looking for a compact binocular that will double up as an entry binocular for my 7 year old. I looked at Uktravid 8x20 but fear the exit pupil and hitting the sweet spot will prove very difficult for him. Are the Terras ok in this regard?
 
Good advice as always. I’m looking for a compact binocular that will double up as an entry binocular for my 7 year old. I looked at Uktravid 8x20 but fear the exit pupil and hitting the sweet spot will prove very difficult for him. Are the Terras ok in this regard?
I have a VP 8x25, and it is very good but fragile and a bit fiddly. My local store carries some colored mini Nikon Aculon with a smooth shell -I see them online for $40 - and frankly if I needed to get my kid a binocular these would be a no-brainer, they look tough and nobody cares if they get dropped or lost, the view is actually ok. Also, they are very light which is important for someone small.


I don't enjoy the experience of lending my kid one of my own binoculars - one serious bang and they're dead.

Edmund
 
I have a VP 8X25 olso, and I climbed the tree with him by the neck and he suffered nothing but the diopter wheel changed his setting. He has some scratches on his armor after rubbing against the bark of the tree. He received harsh treatment. It is an extremely robust and resistant binoculars. The only weakness is this diopter wheel which it moves easily (with a piece of black tape it can be fixed in place)
Victory 8x25 It's more durable than the Leica Trinovid 8x20, for example, which I also have, but this is a jewel binocular more than a pair to be scratched by trees :)
 
I tried just about every pocket binocular, but the trouble is the exit pupil is so small they are dim in low light and very finicky for eye placement and for me most of them you have to hold in front of your eyes to avoid blackouts because the eye cups aren't long enough for the eye relief with my shallow eye sockets. I have found a better alternative for a pocket optic. It has a 4 mm exit pupil, 393 foot FOV, it is waterproof, and it only weighs 8.7 oz. and will easily fit in your pocket, and you don't have to unfold it and adjust the IPD every time you use it.. So it solves the problems of the tiny binoculars without being any larger. In fact, it is smaller than most. It has excellent ED optics, and it is way less expensive than any of the pocket binoculars at only $150.

 

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Where do the RSPB Ramblers fit in their production lines compared to the badger and avocet? Looking for an intro compact bin for a child.
 
I tried just about every pocket binocular, but the trouble is the exit pupil is so small they are dim in low light and very finicky for eye placement and for me most of them you have to hold in front of your eyes to avoid blackouts because the eye cups aren't long enough for the eye relief with my shallow eye sockets. I have found a better alternative for a pocket optic. It has a 4 mm exit pupil, 393 foot FOV, it is waterproof, and it only weighs 8.7 oz. and will easily fit in your pocket, and you don't have to unfold it and adjust the IPD every time you use it.. So it solves the problems of the tiny binoculars without being any larger. In fact, it is smaller than most. It has excellent ED optics, and it is way less expensive than any of the pocket binoculars at only $150.

I've come close to ordering one of these quite a few times over the last year. It's probably my favourite monocular available right now, but I'm just not sure how it would fit into my usage. I got an Opticron T4 8x25 monocular because I needed the smallest size that would be practical and only intended to use it for spotting dogs and wildlife on trails. It's been extremely useful and easily fits into any clothing I wear, but optically it is wildly outclassed by my other mid-range binoculars, and 8x25 is rather dim for dusk. I just don't know if I would end up actually carrying a larger monocular.
 
I've come close to ordering one of these quite a few times over the last year. It's probably my favourite monocular available right now, but I'm just not sure how it would fit into my usage. I got an Opticron T4 8x25 monocular because I needed the smallest size that would be practical and only intended to use it for spotting dogs and wildlife on trails. It's been extremely useful and easily fits into any clothing I wear, but optically it is wildly outclassed by my other mid-range binoculars, and 8x25 is rather dim for dusk. I just don't know if I would end up actually carrying a larger monocular.
Have you tried the Leica 8x20....I do enjoy it. I was going to sell/trade it but have found the value in a monocular as of late , just hiking or walking casually. jim
 
I have a VP 8X25 olso, and I climbed the tree with him by the neck and he suffered nothing but the diopter wheel changed his setting. He has some scratches on his armor after rubbing against the bark of the tree. He received harsh treatment. It is an extremely robust and resistant binoculars. The only weakness is this diopter wheel which it moves easily (with a piece of black tape it can be fixed in place)
Victory 8x25 It's more durable than the Leica Trinovid 8x20, for example, which I also have, but this is a jewel binocular more than a pair to be scratched by trees :)
Just be careful you don't give that diopter wheel a knock, if that happens, your Ferrari will need to visit it's mom in Maranello :)

Edmund
 
I've come close to ordering one of these quite a few times over the last year. It's probably my favourite monocular available right now, but I'm just not sure how it would fit into my usage. I got an Opticron T4 8x25 monocular because I needed the smallest size that would be practical and only intended to use it for spotting dogs and wildlife on trails. It's been extremely useful and easily fits into any clothing I wear, but optically it is wildly outclassed by my other mid-range binoculars, and 8x25 is rather dim for dusk. I just don't know if I would end up actually carrying a larger monocular.
The Maven 8x32 monocular is as bright as most 8x32 binoculars at dusk and way brighter than the 8x20 and 8x25 pocket binoculars, and it has easier eye placement due to the bigger exit pupil, a much bigger FOV of almost 400 feet plus it is more compact than any of the pocket binoculars. You don't have to readjust the IPD every time you fold it open either, like a compact binocular. So you have all the advantages of an 8x32 binocular except binocular vision, and it is still more pocketable than a compact binocular. I like it better than using an 8x20 or 8x25 compact binocular when you want to carry it in your pocket.
 

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