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[exup]

I can also achieve the wow factor with conventional binoculars, I have given examples above!

Excellent, we are then both happy 😁

 

[kimmik]

It sounds like you are again trying to force and impose your views on others.....

So what are you doing?

 

[Dyrlege]

To raise this "discussion" again above the level of exup's remarks about "p****" length (really, please!), consider that quote from Roger Vine:
"Make no mistake, the resolution of these is a big deal. For very long-range birding, exploring the Moon,... these outperform everything else: no conventional binoculars are going to reveal as much without a tripod."

Roger was envisioning specific circumstances under which the increased resolution of IS would be desirable, notably (and obviously) long range observation, rather than just some general matter of individual taste that's pointless (or worse) to argue about. I would imagine that those who feel or have said they never missed it seldom need to discern fine details at such long range, or would use a tripod if they did. Does that pretty much settle the issue, or would someone like to argue that IS is crucially necessary for short-range observation as well, and on what grounds, since most apparently disagree? Otherwise, can we get back to the topic of "Premium (Alpha) list", or did exhausting that lead to this, and the thread should be locked?

Well spoken!

 

[exup]

So what are you doing?

If you go and read the words I have used.... repeatedly, I have acknowledged that S,L, Z top level bins are very good.
But, I choose to buy alternative products, because the evidence I could find convinced me that these alternative products are better for my use cases.

What you (and lots of others) seem to like doing is criticising all alternative products that don't agree with your opinion. This is a big difference in approach.

So, just so that you are clear, I am happy that you feel S,L,Z bins meet your needs and I am sure they are good. But, I believe that they would not give me the wow factor as much as the products I purchased.

 

[kimmik]

If you go and read the words I have used.... repeatedly, I have acknowledged that S,L, Z top level bins are very good.
But, I choose to buy alternative products, because the evidence I could find convinced me that these alternative products are better for my use cases.

What you (and lots of others) seem to like doing is criticising all alternative products that don't agree with your opinion. This is a big difference in approach.

So, just so that you are clear, I am happy that you feel S,L,Z bins meet your needs and I am sure they are good. But, I believe that they would not give me the wow factor as much as the products I purchased.

If your goal is to add 10x42IS to the list as Alpha-IS then I will support that. The reliability factor has always been an unspoken requirement if you ask me. Plenty of issues on that front for IS.

 

[exup]

If your goal is to add 10x42IS to the list as Alpha-IS then I will support that. The reliability factor has always been an unspoken requirement if you ask me. Plenty of issues on that front for IS.

Excellent 👍

When any of my bins die, then at that time I will look around and see what best meets my use cases. The world moves on quickly and every few years new technology is applied that can be stepped change or simply minor evolution.

 

[Dyrlege]

I'm pretty sure that in the future there will be a demand for high quality, non-electronic optics!

 

[exup]

I'm pretty sure that in the future there will be a demand for high quality, non-electronic optics!

Absolutely.

And, if you have an internal combustion engine vehicle...... keep it, as in a few years time they will be unobtainable. Just look at 2 stroke motorcycles from the 1980s..... If only I had the foresight back then!

 

[Dyrlege]

Absolutely.

And, if you have an internal combustion engine vehicle...... keep it, as in a few years time they will be unobtainable. Just look at 2 stroke motorcycles from the 1980s..... If only I had the foresight back then!

I managed to find and buy a pristine, unused, in-the-box 5hp Tohatsu outboard, 2-stroke 1986 modell, two years ago😂

 

[exup]

I managed to find and buy a pristine, unused, in-the-box 5hp Tohatsu outboard, 2-stroke 1986 modell, two years ago😂

I did a little bit of research work on Yamaha and (I think) Mercury 2 strokes back in the 90s. Can't beat a 2 stroke bike 'coming on the pipe' at 6000rpm ..... just at the highest sensitivity of human hearing 😱

 

[Hermann]

The reliability factor has always been an unspoken requirement if you ask me. Plenty of issues on that front for IS.

I personally know several people over here who've been using a 10x42 IS L for more than a decade with no reliability issues whatsoever. And these are people who use their optics in all sorts of conditions. AFAIK Kimmo also didn't have any issues with the 15x50 and the 10x42.

Is your statement "Plenty of issues on that front for IS" based on personal experience?

Hermann

 

[Hermann]

More closely on topic, IMO the Canon 10x42 L, which I tried for several hours on the beach courtesy of another member here, and the Fuji 14x40 IS have alpha or premium quality optics to compliment their IS function. But the outstanding Fuji is certainly not a general purpose birding bin and the ergonomics of the Canon were a no go for me despite their alpha optical performance.

I personally find I need quite a bit of time to get used to a binocular, to get all the settings right and to find the best way to hold it. I think a few hours are usually not really enough, not even with a standard roof prism binocular. (BTW, that's one of the reasons why I only post reviews after I used a binocular for a period of several weeks or more in the field.)

The Canon 10x42 is in my opinion undoubtedly a binocular you need to get used to over a longer period of time. For instance, I needed to switch from focusing with my right hand to focusing with my left. That wasn't easy after more than 40 years.

Hermann

 

[kimmik]

I personally know several people over here who've been using a 10x42 IS L for more than a decade with no reliability issues whatsoever. And these are people who use their optics in all sorts of conditions. AFAIK Kimmo also didn't have any issues with the 15x50 and the 10x42.

Is your statement "Plenty of issues on that front for IS" based on personal experience?

Hermann

Experience - canon 17-85mm IS lens needing repair.
Sigma 150-600mm IS being a bit weird
Iphone IS needing replacement after a modest drop

Thats enough IS trouble for me as it is. Carrying an IS lens or bino, I will no longer be able to throw the bino into my hiking bag and forget that it existed until I use it!

 

[Dyrlege]

Experience - canon 17-85mm IS lens needing repair.
Sigma 150-600mm IS being a bit weird
Iphone IS needing replacement after a modest drop

Thats enough IS trouble for me as it is. Carrying an IS lens or bino, I will no longer be able to throw the bino into my hiking bag and forget that it existed until I use it!

I personally cannot afford to throw binos into my hiking bag. I cuddle them and tuck them in.

 

[exup]

Thats enough IS trouble for me as it is. Carrying an IS lens or bino,

Can I ask please...... do you have a Canon IS bin and if so which one and what year was it built?

 

[kimmik]

Can I ask please...... do you have a Canon IS bin and if so which one and what year was it built?

You dont sound very proactive just there.

 

[exup]

You dont sound very proactive just there.

I don't really understand....is this a question or a statement about my interest level?

I will reword my question....

What Canon IS bin do you own and what age is it?

I believe that Canon utilise a couple of different technologies in different models. Each will have its own MTBF. I am keen to understand what technology you have experience of on these bins.

 

[kimmik]

I don't really understand....is this a question or a statement about my interest level?

I will reword my question....

What Canon IS bin do you own and what age is it?

I believe that Canon utilise a couple of different technologies in different models. Each will have its own MTBF. I am keen to understand what technology you have experience of on these bins.

I dont understand your question. I can go borrow yours to test if you are offering?

 

[exup]

I can go borrow yours to test if you are offering?

So, this answer implies you don't own a pair?

So your current concerns about limited optical performance and low reliability are based on what?

 

[kimmik]

So, this answer implies you don't own a pair?

So your current concerns about limited optical performance and low reliability are based on what?

You must be confusing me with others.