Ring-necked Turtle Dove? (1 Viewer)

[Joern Lehmhus]

Hi Dave ,
yes, I think it is.

Hi Michael,

in some european countries, for example Germany the nomenclature is different for domesticated animals. The name of the wild ancestor is used; the word forma is added(to show it is not like a wild subspecies) and then the latin from the first description of the domesticated animal is added.

For example:

dogs were described by Carl Linnaeus as Canis familiaris, wolves as Canis lupus , therefore dogs are now Canis lupus forma familiaris

Similar for others, for example Equus przewalskii forma caballus

or Gallus bankiva forma gallus,

This Idea came up due to the domestication of animals being a different mechanism from the evolution of subspecies; and therefore one should see in the latin name if we have a domesticated animal or a subspecies.

I have seen some international publications were this was used and I think it is a good idea, but I don´t know how internationally accepted this is. For the doves discussed here it would then be like this:

If Streptopelia risoria is the domesticated form of S. roseogrisea, then it would be Streptopelia roseogrisea forma risoria; indepedently which one was described first.

Hi Gthang,
didn´t mis your post (saw you mention Barbary dove)but also didn´t want to "trot on your feet" (don´t know if you have this saying over there?). I just wanted to say what I think of the bird´s identity. I am sorry if you thought we were overlooking you. Things like this also happened to posts from me or others, but it´s nothing personal .

Jörn

 

[spanishalex]

So what, in the end, is the bird in the photo?

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

Streptopelia risoria

 

[cuckooroller]

I might as well jump in with my two cents. The AOU is the only one I know of that has accepted risoria as a valid species. It does not seem likely to be followed in this view by the three world majors the SM, Clements, and Howard & Moore. Of these three, if I am not mistaken, only the SM even considers it as a subspecies of roseogrisea. The Clement's does not contemplate risoria as a subspecies listing only the nominate and arabica as valid subspecies. The Howard & Moore is in accord with this treatment. There is a push on, mostly by bird breeders, that would have it that risoria be first recognized by all as a subspecies and subsequently, to elevate it to a full species. It is one thing to describe a bird first (like C. livia) from resident populations near demographic centers, it is quite another, in my opinion, to constitute a homogenic new species through selective breeding and then expect everyone else to fall into line with this view. It would make just about as much sense to me to try to have recognized as valid species some of the wierd crosses that we see with Anatidae or Psittacidae.

 

[ictbirds]

A gentleman with a bird ID book told me this was a ring-necked turtle dove....is that correct? I hope the image shows up.......I've been having a bit of trouble with it.

Photographed this morning. Been hanging around a few days now. Must like the hospitality and free food. Been feeding doves/birds for 19 years at the photograph location and never seen one of these before the past week.

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