Sparrow ID - Tehran/Iran (1 Viewer)

[Shahrzad]

This Passeriforme looks like a Rock Sparrow as its habitat and it has seen by my friend and we think the rock sparrow has a chance.

Seen: 26 Sep. 2019 - Around the mountains of Tehran / Iran

 

[Simon Wates]

No Rock Sparrow/Petronia here, I'm thinking bunting but I'm stumped, maybe Rock though it seems too slight in shape.

 

[johnallcock]

Female White-capped Bunting I think:
http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdi...ecies&Bird_ID=1938&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Female White-capped Bunting I think:
http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdi...ecies&Bird_ID=1938&Bird_Family_ID=&pagesize=1

I thought White-capped was out of range but according to Birdlife is extant, but no idea of status-extreme E/SE in winter? I don't think its a White-capped, coronals too strong for starters. My initial thought was a poorly marked 1st-w Pine but far from certain so best left as Emberizidae sp. IMO unless there are more/better images?


Grahame

 

[ehsan]

I think it's a 1stW Rock Bunting

 

[Simon Wates]

I think it's a 1stW Rock Bunting

A quick look around for images produced a bird that looks feasible? https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.birdguides.com%2Fcdn%2Fgallery%2Fbirds%2FRockBunting-Juvenile.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.birdguides.com%2Fgallery%2Fbirds%2Femberiza-cia%2F956337%2F%3FcontactTab%3DFalse&tbnid=XU9PAxcfa_dvpM&vet=12ahUKEwiv4IrgmvTkAhUSFBoKHe5pBYkQMygdegQIARBf..i&docid=Rnl5RY6LWxnrrM&w=2400&h=1600&itg=1&q=juvenile%20Rock%20Bunting&client=firefox-b-d&ved=2ahUKEwiv4IrgmvTkAhUSFBoKHe5pBYkQMygdegQIARBf

 

[ehsan]

You can see some of 1stW RB from Iran in the following links:

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BbxPVyZjQzu/?igshid=1m3u76e1ejv9m

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

With the benefit of hindsight 1st-w Rock seems highly plausible not to mention a more likely option.

Grahame

 

[Shahrzad]

Thanks

You can see some of 1stW RB from Iran in the following links:

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BbxPVyZjQzu/?igshid=1m3u76e1ejv9m

Many thanks Ehsan ... I can mention this is a Rock Bunting now by this photo
(
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[johnallcock]

Agreed, seeing those pictures this looks good for a 1st winter Rock Bunting.

 

[smiths]

Rock Bunting in all plumages has more extensive dark tertial centres with very straight edges.
In this bird, at least the lower tertial shows an angled edge.
Also, the head pattern looks a bit too subdued for Rock, with duskier ear coverts.
Pine Bunting, or poorly marked Yellowhammer (or hybrid) seems like the best bet.

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Rock Bunting in all plumages has more extensive dark tertial centres with very straight edges.
In this bird, at least the lower tertial shows an angled edge.
Also, the head pattern looks a bit too subdued for Rock, with duskier ear coverts.
Pine Bunting, or poorly marked Yellowhammer (or hybrid) seems like the best bet.

That is true 'Smiths' but particularly in fresh plumage, which this bird appears to be, the black centre narrows towards the tips of T2 and T3 so that the fringe is not straight edged see http://blascozumeta.com/wp-content/uploads/aragon-birds/passeriformes/446.rockbunting-ecia.pdf in particular scroll down to lower images.

Grahame

 

[smiths]

Not sure that I see what you mean, Grahame.
None of the birds in that PDF file show an angled or crooked tertial edge to my eyes, at least not to the extent of the OP bird?

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Not sure that I see what you mean, Grahame.
None of the birds in that PDF file show an angled or crooked tertial edge to my eyes, at least not to the extent of the OP bird?

T2 and T3 are not straight edged and the dark centre is clearly broader at the the base in fresh plumage see http://xinjiang.birds.watch/v2photo.php?l=en&s=001400722&n=2&saut=0&sor=desc&sortby=1&p=0&si=xin#photo the OP is a very poor image and the angle isn't great to make judgements about precise tertial pattern.

Grahame

 

[smiths]

Are there any more photographs of this bird, Shahrzad?

 

[rollingthunder]

I sincerely hope not

Laurie -

 

[Shahrzad]

friend's photo

Are there any more photographs of this bird, Shahrzad?

Dear smiths the photo belongs to other friend and I received later . I found it as a Rock Bunting !

 

[rollingthunder]

Keep posting - i like stuff from Iran:t:

Laurie -

 

[smiths]

That is a Rock Bunting indeed but clearly not the same bird (cf. black loral line, pale ear-coverts).

 

[Simon Wates]

That is a Rock Bunting indeed but clearly not the sane bird (cf. black loral line, pale ear-coverts).

I agree and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for your very fine contributions here, I have learned lots. However, I'd also like to highlight (especially for RT) your typo, if it was intentional I'm impressed, if not leave it anyway, its precious :t: