Swarovski ATX Objective Module 85/95 (2 Viewers)

[mpopo123]

Hello,

I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?

What is the benefit of using this system compared to the conventional 85 ATS? I have carried the ATS80, much weight difference when eyepiece is added to the ATX?

Thank You

 

[The BulbMogul]

Hello,

I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?

What is the benefit of using this system compared to the conventional 85 ATS? I have carried the ATS80, much weight difference when eyepiece is added to the ATX?

Thank You

This is the 95MM ATX and the big difference I would think is the the size and weight vrs 85 mm..

 

[rodneyAB]

Hello,

I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?

What is the benefit of using this system compared to the conventional 85 ATS? I have carried the ATS80, much weight difference when eyepiece is added to the ATX?

Thank You

Benefit is the modularity, you can own one to four objective lenses, and one to three eyepieces. The ATX eyepiece module is 'heavy', but so is the BTX.
I own the ATX85, and carrying it with a good expensive tripod and head for any distance, is a bit of work.

 

[The BulbMogul]

OP.. This is the balance rail connected to my 115mm ATX and as you can see it will attach directly to pretty much any base plate to include the Wimberly MK2 Gimbal head..

 

[Jason Bugay Reyes]

Hello,

I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?

What is the benefit of using this system compared to the conventional 85 ATS? I have carried the ATS80, much weight difference when eyepiece is added to the ATX?

Thank You

Wider field of view, faster using one hand while focusing and zooming at the same time and I get to see more details with my 43 years old eyes (using STX and BTX modules) with the 95mm when I compared with friend's 85mm during dusk and dawn in the rainforest where I usually lead birding tours

 

[The BulbMogul]

OP..A leveling Gitzo Base between your Gimbal head and Tripod Base is lovely for quick leveling of the entire unit in seconds and not having to play around with the legs,..

 

[4 The Birds1]

Hi mpopo,
Looks like so far you have not got a very informative answer to your question about the difference between the 85mm and the 95mm objective module, and unfortunately even some dodgy statements from Jason.

I attach a link to a table by Swarovski which will give you some factual information regarding magnification range, field of view, apparent field of view, weight etc when used with the ATX or STX eyepiece module.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/pvkenuwtinkd/5ROLSlAXIjHJ4XHlwe7mkB/3f051ffa9cfdbfd7c54e830cb1ce8780/ATXSTX_TD_112020_300x216-compressed.pdf

You will see that the magnification range with the 85 mm objective module is 25-60x with a field of view ranging between 41m-23 m/1000m.
Therefore at lowest mag it provides a wider field of view (41m/1000m) than the 95 mm module (35m/1000m), which has a magnification range of 30-70x and a field of view ranging from 35m-19m/1000m.

This puts the 85 mm module at an advantage when it comes to first acquiring your target, if you are scanning or when observing at closer range.

The apparent field of view is the same for both modules (57-71 degrees).

The weight difference is 240 grams. (Advantage 85 mm module)

The advantages of the 95 mm module are:
1) bigger max magnification of 70x (if you need that)
2) it gathers more light



I have no personal experience with the ATS scopes but I believe that they are fine instruments too. Obviously 80 mm gathers a little less light again. They have a choice of 2 different eye pieces: a 20-60x and a 25-50x wide angle.
Here's a link to a table with their specs:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/pvkenuwtinkd/76TsUpnu5MVDcCA34l5tGN/2348597a2e4a388eba61c1aa64e6edfd/ATSSTS_TD_102021_300x216.pdf

Hope that helps!

Wider field of view...

Not true, see above

faster using one hand while focusing and zooming at the same time

? How exactly is that different between the 85 and the 95 mm module please?

and I get to see more details with my 43 years old eyes (using STX and BTX modules) with the 95mm when I compared with friend's 85mm during dusk and dawn in the rainforest where I usually lead birding tours

 

[4 The Birds1]

What do you mean with dodgy statements?

I have the STX 95mm and had the 65mm and have used it against 60 and 80mm ATS. For me eyes, I see wider field of view of the STX against ATS scopes.

And if you have never used those ATS scopes, please do so rather than relying on the specs. The OP was asking the difference of 85 and 95 scopes against the ATS 80 scope, so my answers were based on OP's questions. Overall for my eyes and usage, the X system were better for my needs. Both systems are great though.

Hi Jason,

The OPs primary question was about the ATX system, and specifically about the difference between the 85mm and the 95mm Objective module:
"I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?"

Your answer makes reference to comparing 95 mm and 85 mm, giving the impression that you are answering this question.

You characterize your friend's scope as 85mm.

There is zero indication in your original reply that you are actually talking about a comparison between STX 95 and ATS 80.

There is no 85 mm version of the ATS.

The ATS is available either with 80mm or 65mm objective lens, (not 60 mm as you seem to suggest in your most recent post).

If you are comparing with the ATS 80 then you should tell us which ATS eyepiece was used in the comparison as there is a standard and a wide angle one. The latter with an apparent field of view ranging 60-70 degrees compares very well with the ATX's AFOV of 57-71 degrees and should NOT result in a narrower field of view impression.

Manufacturer's spec sheets are a useful resource of factual information. Maybe you should have a look at them yourself. It might help you formulate more precise posts and reduce the risk of misleading the reader.

Best wishes

Achim

 

[4 The Birds1]

Did you read my replied to the OP the difference between STX95, 85 and the ATS80?

Hi Jason,
I have read all your posts in this thread.
You need to clarify what exactly you have compared in order for your post to be useful.
Was it a 2-way comparison between STX95 and ATS 80?
Was it a 3-way comparison between SX 95, STX 85 and ATS 80?
Which eye piece was used on the ATS 80?

Best wishes

Achim

 

[4 The Birds1]

If you have read, so u should have understood that I have tested those 3 scopes as per OP's questions and have given my thoughts the difference between those 3 scopes for the OP to considered.

English is not my main language, Apologies for any misunderstanding on my grammars etc

Hi Jason,

if you compared 3 different scopes, then I would suggest that you should really write a new post where you explain EXACTLY what you compared, and what your findings were in relation to each of the instruments, and the differences between each of the instruments.

Your posts so far have failed to clarify this, and therefore your contribution is not helpful to the reader.

I appreciate that English is not your first language. I am not a native English speaker either.

Best wishes

Achim

 

[4 The Birds1]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 am i answering questions for exam that required me to answer as set by the OP?

I did my part in giving the OP my thought on those scopes. Up to the OP to accept it or not and who are you the tell me that my contribution is not helpful?

Signing out from this topic now.

Sorry Jason,

no, you are not in an exam, but you did respond to a post where the original poster asked about differences between different optical instruments.

Your contribution is lacking clarity and is potentially misleading.

I tried to explain patiently where the problem with your contribution lies and have suggested what you could do to clarify and improve it, so that it becomes useful.
I think my suggestion is entirely reasonable.
It is of course up to you to decide whether to act on it or not.

Best wishes

Achim

 

[Jason Bugay Reyes]

Sorry Jason,

no, you are not in an exam, but you did respond to a post where the original poster asked about differences between different optical instruments.

Your contribution is lacking clarity and is potentially misleading.

I tried to explain patiently where the problem with your contribution lies and have suggested what you could do to clarify and improve it, so that it becomes useful.
I think my suggestion is entirely reasonable.
It is of course up to you to decide whether to act on it or not.

Best wishes

Achim

If for you my answers for the OP considered misleading, I will delete those post and hope you will be satisfy with it Teacher 😂

 

[4 The Birds1]

If for you my answers for the OP considered misleading, I will delete those post and hope you will be satisfy with it Teacher 😂

If I was your teacher, I would be disappointed which such a response to constructive criticism.

I would consider it dodgy

 

[Jason Bugay Reyes]

If I was your teacher, I would be disappointed which such a response to constructive criticism.

I would consider it dodgy

Hence do not expect me to answers based on how you would like it and if any of my previous post considered misleading as indicated a few times by you, please kindly report my posts to the admins for further action.

I don't need any of your authority here as anyone are free to respond to any post as long as it is not deemed inappropriate by the admins.

 

[4 The Birds1]

Hence do not expect me to answers based on how you would like it and if any of my previous post considered misleading as indicated a few times by you, please kindly report my posts to the admins for further action.

I don't need any of your authority here as anyone are free to respond to any post as long as it is not deemed inappropriate by the admins.

This is getting ridiculous.
I pointed out that your original contribution was lacking clarity and was likely to mislead.
I suggested that you clarify your post which would have benefitted the OP and all readers interested in the question asked.
Not a difficult ask either.
You respond by deleting your posts and suggest I report you to the moderating team.
What's the point?

 

[rodneyAB]

This is getting ridiculous.
I pointed out that your original contribution was lacking clarity and was likely to mislead.
I suggested that you clarify your post which would have benefitted the OP and all readers interested in the question asked.
Not a difficult ask either.
You respond by deleting your posts and suggest I report you to the moderating team.
What's the point?

Not to grind an ax, or clean my lens with grit, but as I said earlier, in answer to the OP, the benefit of the ATX/STX system is the modularity.

 

[4 The Birds1]

Not to grind an ax, or clean my lens with grit, but as I said earlier, in answer to the OP, the benefit of the ATX/STX system is the modularity.

Hi Rodney
nothing wrong with your contribution to this thread - no axe to grind.
My post above which you quoted was meant for Jason alone

 

[kabsetz]

Hello,

I was looking for advise on the Swaro ATX Spotting Scope system. Is there a big difference between the 85 & 95 OBJ?

What is the benefit of using this system compared to the conventional 85 ATS? I have carried the ATS80, much weight difference when eyepiece is added to the ATX?

Thank You

It seems that unnecessary confusion arose from the slip the original poster had. I see two questions here. What are the differences between ATX 85 & 95, and how does the ATX system differ from ATS, but unfortunately with 85 ATS instead of 80 ATS in the second sentence. Jason has been responding with the understanding that this is what has been asked, which is how I understand the post also. So conventional 80 ATS compared to ATX 85 or 95.