New Zeiss Victory SF !!!!!! (2 Viewers)

[Troubador]

Lee,

That's a scurrilous graphic ! Drawn up by the twisted and tortured minds at Zeiss (not exactly at, ahem!, ... arms length either !

Now, if they were to draw up the real :king: of ergo's ---- the Zen-Ray ED3, then you'd see that both the forefingers fit on the long focus wheel back toward the eyepiece where it's meant to be, and the wide bridge allows the middle fingers to be accomodated, with ample room in the open bridge for the two remaining fingers on each hand, all with no forced spacing between the fingers. Perfect!
:cat:

Chosun :gh:

CJ
I used to own an EL and I never held it the way the drawing portrays. I held it more like you describe for the Zen Ray although I didn't use the two 1st finger focus method.

I never used to question my grip (having lost it years ago, yes I can see that one coming ) but having very quickly accomodated to the HT I find it very comfortable and secure. However one can't use the same grip on Conquests but they feel secure in my hands too. So what to make of the SF grip? I think it will be of benefit when you holding the bins up for significantly extended periods of time. Certainly I can hold my HTs up for longer watching otters than I could the FLs.

Lee

 

[bh46118]

Looks like a definite ergonomic improvement, but in actual use the SV seems fine. Maybe I'll develop a horrific abnormality of my right index finger in the coming years.:eek!: Along with rolling ball, do we now have SV finger ?:-O

CJ

You mean you prefer the one on the left do you? :king:

Lee

 

[Troubador]

Looks like a definite ergonomic improvement, but in actual use the SV seems fine. Maybe I'll develop a horrific abnormality of my right index finger in the coming years.:eek!: Along with rolling ball, do we now have SV finger ?:-O

bh

You must have got EL finger by now what with the focus being harder in one direction than the other, as well as the malformation caused by the deviant grip shown in the pic :-O

And don't forget the tinnitus caused by the graunching noises of the focus, if you are unlucky enough to have got one of the rough ones :eek!:

All good fun and a bit unfair on the EL SV as bins don't get to the level of popularity that it has if every second unit is a duffer.:t:

But I will say this: give the SF grip a good try before you dismiss it.

Lee

 

[bh46118]

It looks like a very comfortable layout. No doubt an improvement over the SV in that regard, unless I'm missing something.

bh

But I will say this: give the SF grip a good try before you dismiss it.

Lee

 

[Pinewood]

Hello Chosun,

To further define your "etc." in a previous post, I would add FOV. In an 8x binocular, I am looking for an 8 degree, or better FOV. Narrow FOV binoculars provide a view, in which the instrument is very apparent. If part of transparency is that one does not notice the instrument, than a decent FOV, has to be considered.

Happy bird watching,
Arthur Pinewood :hi:

 

[Troubador]

Hello Chosun,

To further efine your "etc." in a previous post, I would add FOV. In an 8x binocular, I am looking for an 8 degree, or better FOV. Narrow FOV binoculars provide a view, in which the instrument is very apparent. If part of transparency is that one does not notice the instrument, than a decent FOV, has to be considered.

Happy bird watching,
Arthur Pinewood :hi:

You are right Art and a good part of what impressed me about the SF view is simply the breadth of it. I am not at all sure that I can separate the 'transparancy' from the FOV in my memory and I am not at all sure that I should bother trying.

Lee

 

[bh46118]

I see the 'feeling of transparency' that you mention in the 8.5 degree view of my vortex Fury, which is a bit of an illusion, particularly when compared to a lesser FOV optic which actually has superior core optical quality. With that said, I'm quite sure the optical quality of the SF will be much more than simply an illusion.

You are right Art and a good part of what impressed me about the SF view is simply the breadth of it. I am not at all sure that I can separate the 'transparancy' from the FOV in my memory and I am not at all sure that I should bother trying.

Lee

 

[bh46118]

I didn't catch it when I posted this image before, but here it is in real life.

 

[Vespobuteo]

http://www.zeiss-excopesa.com/data/uploads/files/Victory SF Report Birdwatch1.pdf

birdwatch review,
don't know if this has been posted before,
but here you go..

 

[mooreorless]

I didn't catch it when I posted this image before, but here it is in real life.

Seeing this picture the way this person is gripping the Zeiss SF and how his finger is straight/more inline compared to the SV might make the SF a little moore comfortable to use. The picture does show how much longer the SF is.

 

[Troubador]

Seeing this picture the way this person is gripping the Zeiss SF and how his finger is straight/more inline compared to the SV might make the SF a little moore comfortable to use. The picture does show how much longer the SF is.

Steve

This does give moore room for larger hands to grip the tubes, and SF doesn't nip your fingers when you close the IPD down in the same way that EL does.

Lee

 

[stereotruckdriver]

Steve

This does give moore room for larger hands to grip the tubes, and SF doesn't nip your fingers when you close the IPD down in the same way that EL does.

Lee

Lee,

I'm beginning to think Zeiss should put you on the payroll!

Bryce...

 

[Troubador]

Lee,

I'm beginning to think Zeiss should put you on the payroll!

Bryce...

Steve

I have thought the same for years but no moola comes my way :smoke:

This might be because I am regularly critical of some aspects of product and marketing :eek!:

Lee

 

[bh46118]

Lee, how do you evade the wrath:C of the forum, I've been tagged as a fanboy, elitist, and braggart. :-O3:king: The fervor against Zeiss must be less than Swaro.:eat:

 

[mooreorless]

Lee, how do you evade the wrath:C of the forum, I've been tagged as a fanboy, elitist, and braggart. :-O3:king: The fervor against Zeiss must be less than Swaro.:eat:

Bruce, Maybe because Zeiss is easier to pronounce than Swarovski, I have heard quite a few different pronunciations of Swarovski, Swarskey etc.

 

[Troubador]

Lee, how do you evade the wrath:C of the forum, I've been tagged as a fanboy, elitist, and braggart. :-O3:king: The fervor against Zeiss must be less than Swaro.:eat:

What makes you think I have escaped?

We all annoy each other eventually on the forum, sometimes because we genuinely disagree about something, more often because the nuances that soften face to face speech such as facial expression, tone of voice and body language, aren't available on the forum and it is so easy to come across as aggressive, insulting or bragging when you aren't being so crass at all.

At the moment, Brock doesn't speak to me but one or two others that I have annoyed seem to have thawed of late. I like to believe there no bad intentions here on BF.

As for you being a fanboy, elitist, and braggart, I'm sure there is something missing out of that list, but can't quite put my finger on it

Lee

 

[jan van daalen]

Hype? HYPE????

Over 100 thousend views on a binocular of which their is NO report from a actual buyer/owner.

This is not a hype.

It's a legend!!

Jan

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

Jan,
Not a legend really but a fairy tale,
Gijs

 

[jan van daalen]

Jan,
Not a legend really but a fairy tale,
Gijs

:t::t:

 

[bh46118]

Buffoon, that's the one, yeah, buffoon. 3333333

As for you being a fanboy, elitist, and braggart, I'm sure there is something missing out of that list, but can't quite put my finger on it
Lee