Scythebill transfer (1 Viewer)

[njlarsen]

I do not think this is where you truly want to go. I am not at the PC where scythebill is installed right now. I will try to help when I get there.
Niels

 

[Andy Adcock]

I do not think this is where you truly want to go. I am not at the PC where scythebill is installed right now. I will try to help when I get there.
Niels

Niels, these boxes appear during the standard filling of info when it comes to stating the race of a species, I'm not doing anything 'deep' here.

 

[njlarsen]

To clear up sp entries, the usual process is to click show reports, then click the location that the arrow is pointing to in the image, and then choose the bottom option
Niels

 

[njlarsen]

In this view, I would click <none> and ignore the Sp/hybrid. I think the purpose of the latter is that you have an observation of a species which has been split but you are not sure which daughter species it became. Then you can change this observation to be an "either this or that"
Niels

Edit: or you ticked a rarity but later data proved it to be a hybrid between two species, again change that one observation into a hybrid coding.

 

[awiner]

I think that's what I'll have to do Rob, thanks.

I resolved my sp by going to the show reports page and going through list manually. It was a major job with c7000 species to check. Invariably they involved species which had been split and both new species occurred in a given country. Brazil was a good example of this.

There's a much faster way: go to Show reports, and change the report type from "Location" "in" "", to "Sp./Hybrid" "is" "Sp.".

See the attached screenshot. It'll show you both the intentional "sp."s (you couldn't field identify the difference between two species) and unintentional (you haven't yet resolved a split), but you won't have to wade through 7000 species!

 

[awiner]

Can someone explain this please.

Pic 471 is what you get with some species when you try to add details of race, clicking on that brings up the pic in 464.

'Make a species or hybrid from'.....what the heck does that mean?

This shows if you click the "sp./hyb." button - it's used if you have a sighting that was originally entered as a single species, but you've realized you should have entered it as a "sp.". Like, say you realized that you didn't really identify a Mongolian Sand-Plover, and you want to change it to Mongolian/Siberian Sand-Plover. You'd find the sighting, click the button, choose Siberian Sand-Plover as the other half of the "sp.", and click OK.

It's described (briefly) in the manual at Scythebill Manual

 

[Andy Adcock]

This shows if you click the "sp./hyb." button - it's used if you have a sighting that was originally entered as a single species, but you've realized you should have entered it as a "sp.". Like, say you realized that you didn't really identify a Mongolian Sand-Plover, and you want to change it to Mongolian/Siberian Sand-Plover. You'd find the sighting, click the button, choose Siberian Sand-Plover as the other half of the "sp.", and click OK.

It's described (briefly) in the manual at Scythebill Manual

But I don't get any options, all there is, is a box for text as you can see, what am I supposed type and why, I really don't get it?

Here's my sighting of Black-capped Flycatcher, as you can see, there is no option to choose the subspecies, all there is, is the sp/hyb box

 

[Andy Adcock]

If I click that button, I get this?

I haven't knowingly, enter any species as a 'sp' and even if I had, there are no options there to choose?

 

[njlarsen]

If I click that button, I get this?

I haven't knowingly, enter any species as a 'sp' and even if I had, there are no options there to choose?

The image you are showing means that you are in the wrong place. You are in the location where you would be looking at individual observations of individual birds and where you can either add a subspecies for that observation or you can change that observation TO sp/hybrid status. What you need is the place where you can change status FROM sp/hybrid status. To get to that , as both Adam wrote (post 25) and I pointed out (post 23) you need to return to the main menu. There you click "Reports". In the next menu you click location as I showed in post 23, and change that to the Sp/hybrid option.

Why would you have sp observations today even though you never entered any? For example, you saw a Royal Albatross in New Zealand. Now that this has been split into two species, there is no automated way to know which daughter species your observation was for, so the program will place it in Royal Albatross sp (The program could have done so automatically if you had entered subspecies before the split happened). If you have notes telling you it was a Northern or a Southern you can change to this now using the process we described.
Niels

 

[Rob Hunt]

There's a much faster way: go to Show reports, and change the report type from "Location" "in" "", to "Sp./Hybrid" "is" "Sp.".

See the attached screenshot. It'll show you both the intentional "sp."s (you couldn't field identify the difference between two species) and unintentional (you haven't yet resolved a split), but you won't have to wade through 7000 species!

Thanks for that. I wish I knew that before trawling through 7000 species.

 

[awiner]

But I don't get any options, all there is, is a box for text as you can see, what am I supposed type and why, I really don't get it?

Here's my sighting of Black-capped Flycatcher, as you can see, there is no option to choose the subspecies, all there is, is the sp/hyb box

There's no options to choose a subspecies because Black-capped Flycatcher is monotypic!

 

[awiner]

Thanks for that. I wish I knew that before trawling through 7000 species.

In general, before doing anything that is monumentally tedious, drop me a line.

 

[Rob Hunt]

In general, before doing anything that is monumentally tedious, drop me a line.

Thanks. I will certainly bear that in mind.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Thanks Adam, you help is always appreciated.

 

[Andy Adcock]

There's no options to choose a subspecies because Black-capped Flycatcher is monotypic!

So why has the box appeared?

 

[Andy Adcock]

The image you are showing means that you are in the wrong place. You are in the location where you would be looking at individual observations of individual birds and where you can either add a subspecies for that observation or you can change that observation TO sp/hybrid status. What you need is the place where you can change status FROM sp/hybrid status. To get to that , as both Adam wrote (post 25) and I pointed out (post 23) you need to return to the main menu. There you click "Reports". In the next menu you click location as I showed in post 23, and change that to the Sp/hybrid option.

Why would you have sp observations today even though you never entered any? For example, you saw a Royal Albatross in New Zealand. Now that this has been split into two species, there is no automated way to know which daughter species your observation was for, so the program will place it in Royal Albatross sp (The program could have done so automatically if you had entered subspecies before the split happened). If you have notes telling you it was a Northern or a Southern you can change to this now using the process we described.
Niels

What's happened Niels, is that when I transferred the programme to my PC, the species I'd seen were retained, but none of the sight or racial information was? So, I'm going through, adding what info I can, knee deep in my old reports.

Thanks for all you help in this Niels, always appreciated.

 

[awiner]

What's happened Niels, is that when I transferred the programme to my PC, the species I'd seen were retained, but none of the sight or racial information was? So, I'm going through, adding what info I can, knee deep in my old reports.

Thanks for all you help in this Niels, always appreciated.

There is basically no way for that to happen, really and truly (assuming you did just copy over the .bsxm file and didn't doing something like a .csv export and then an import into a blank file). What could have happened is that you're using to having, say, Browse by species or Show reports defaulting to showing all subspecies, and now on the new machine it's defaulting to showing just species. For example, in Browse by species, look at the "Show" item in the screenshot below, and make sure it's set to subspecies.



Again, really, there is no way in Scythebill that a .bsxm file copy could ever preserve all of your species but lose the subspecies.

 

[awiner]

So why has the box appeared?

The Sp./Hyb. button lets you turn your species into a "sp." or hybrid of two species. Why wouldn't it be there for a monotypic species? It's got absolutely nothing to do with subspecies.

 

[Andy Adcock]

Many thanks Adam for this.

 

[twitcherf]

I know I'm coming late to this thread but I have a comment on the original query, which was how do you move from Scythebill a laptop to a PC.

What I do is to store the bsxm file in the cloud - mine is on dropbox, but could equally be on One Drive or ICloud(? I'm not an apple user but I believe this is the equivalent). THis has dual advantages - one is that you dont need to move the file to have it accessible from multiple devices and the other is that it is far less likely to be deleted