I think that is indeed the point that most are making.
Perhaps it would complicate things less to simply focus purely on the claimed evidence from the past 15 years (just for clarity).
This thread seems to have moved on from any intelligent discussion but if someone can summarise what new/recent evidence (ie from sightings within the past 15 years) there is, including new video, new recordings, new feathers, recent excavated nest holes, and best of all photos, however blurry.
That for me would be a very good starting point.
I'm quite open to the idea of a few Ivory-billed Woodpeckers having persisted for a few years or even decades after those in the Singer Tract disappeared. I even think that the most parsimonious explanation for the Fielding Lewis photos from Louisiana in the early 1970s is that he did in fact photograph a living Ivory-billed Woodpecker. But even that was 50 years ago!
If we are discussing the claims from the last 15-20 years, then any sane person would conclude that despite an abundance of claimed smoke, there has been exactly zero conclusive evidence produced. Surely that's the crux of the matter?
I object to the unfair way you two gauge sentiment and evidence in the last 2 IB threads. In these threads of 22 pages there have only been 5 or 6 people having actual IB search field experience ; All
say the bird is:
EXTANT and have listed various experiences, points, evidence, and studies. Over the hundreds of posts they either stated or inferred they have seen the bird or know nuances about the bird that show some acceptable familiarity with the species.
There has been no short let alone point by point rebuttals to the several recent peer reviewed papers on the IB inclusive of ~ 25 sets of field notes with drawings, at least 7 videos of perched and flying birds, audio of hundreds of kents and double knocks, a unique recording of a previously unrecorded call, many IB-like roost cavities, unique IB-like foraging marks and more. The discovered and restored Imperial Woodpecker films also has cleared up various things about flight dynamics of the genus as predicted by some while showing blatant errors to key ID points made carelessly by public skeptics in writing and subsequently abandoned.
These facts have caused two state RBA committees to subsequently change their IBWO official checklist comments (AR and LA) to status present and uncertain respectively. The species is on the USFWS species list, as endangered NOT EXTINCT. The USFWS and Recovery Plan committee consisting of over 85 people from pertinent occupations, Universities, departments, NGOs, institutions, skeptics, etc. formally and in writing rejected a short and flawed note doubting the AR sightings. Note that some skeptics begged to be on the comitt. even thought they were psuedoskeptics afraid of their own projects receiving less funding. The AR RBC accepted the presence of the species in AR circa 2005 via unanimous vote with no formal retraction. USFWS authorized and completed a recovery plan ~ 10 years ago. ABA has also stated it is waiting for further info before it changes its status and presently calls the species probably extinct or extinct. CITES/IUCN has also noted the recent sightings and evidence upgrading its status and does not call the species extinct.
In conclusion there is no official voting committee of the several that has changed its status in a negative direction towards extinction but at least 3 have changed the status to an improved level of present or uncertain.
Unless Cajunuma is some unknown acronym of a committee its/hers/his 2 sentence analysis calling people insane if they see some good evidence and proof is rejected as being completely inappropriate, inadequate and not worthy of further comment.
The 5 who have participated in these threads with field experience have collectively conversed with others that are also in the field; many others not here have knowledge that the IB exists and that an undetermined but perhaps very low number of birds exist. These 5 made the most substantive posts of all the posters with a few skeptics engaging, reluctantly.
There has been minimal field data either negative or positive presented by the other 25 posters. Most of these posters do not seem to have any experience at all in searching for IBs or Pileateds and may be listers and/or feeder birders. In general they refuse to answer any questions; are in general unaware of the evidence for or against IBs.
They monolithically believe the only data set acceptable is a clear photo and refuse to acknowledge or carefully review basic direct video, audio, roost and ecological data and inferential points triggered by this evidence from over 30 field witnesses associated with the published papers. Additional recent sightings not in papers but in internet sources, blogs, personal field books, studies, federal data banks, word of mouth, personal communications, etc. numbers ~ 75 to 100 sightings/detections. Many of these are from the same locations as the papers, meaning there has been replication of sightings over time but count duplication of the same bird(s) on different dates. SC has brief sightings and some excellent detections but no papers. On BF a recent description of a peer reviewed paper from 1971 and associated collected feathers, the only one able to be IDed by an ornithologist as from an IB, after years of seeing IBs at the same FL site along with the collection of an associated IB cavity met with various vague and baseless denials of this direct evidence on BF.
Most have therefore forfeited any claim to being vigorous and impartial reviewers of sightings papers and evidence for mostly unknown reasons. These reasons possibly being some combination of the following: ingrained by various simple but rigid rules of RBC committees (that they have confused with science), rejection of science, cumbersome nature of the evidence, jealousy, entrenchment, unusual circumstance for them but not necessarily of many scientists of having no frame filling picture to quickly judge the simple claim of presence, poor quality of the videos providing an easy excuse to not look at all the evidence inclusive of what the videos do show, the erroneous belief that pictures of IB away from a nest exist (there is no such picture), this is not an easy tick, failure to get in the field even though some birds lingered at localities for years, each bird has very large home range and is vagile, lack of a conservation ethic, belief that saving the IB takes away from other projects, competition for limited conservation funds, time constraints, lack of good computers/large screen, lack of video artifact knowledge, lack of field experience with the confusing species, lack of field experience and ecological knowledge of the subject species, lack of flight dynamics knowledge, lack of ecological knowledge of SE US forests, lack of knowledge on the potential rapidity of behavioral changes in small populations, lack of knowledge on the onset and survivability of inbreeding and genetic drift, laziness, bullying, peer pressure, group think, ill-defined or no understanding of true skepticism and its responsibilities, cyber-cesspool effect, followers of various well known skeptics, varying formats of the available data, in general and in their defense the time/work needed to carefully look at the extensive evidence.
Most or all posters were unaware that the Cuban IB sightings of 1986 -88, at the time quite a rediscovery event with similarities, was globally accepted without much objection. Cuba had miniscule evidence compared to the recent US IB sightings. The disparity was significant in the following areas per poster DD on BF: number of sightings, field notes submitted, range of data sets (video, audio of kents and knocks, roost measurements, bark scaling etc.). One BF poster eventually agreed with the double standard/inconsistency and rejected the Cuban IB of actually being rediscovered circa 1987. Note that the Cuban IB and US IB are almost certainly different species and the Cuban species is likely extinct. The Cuban IB accepted sightings and articles had J. Jackson as one of the possible sighters and proponents and authors involved with the Cuban "rediscovery". Unfortunately Jackson did not recognize his scientific inconstancies when he doubted with no new negative data, the AR IB sightings, evidence and paper of 2004-5 (he was unhappy about being left out of the loop on this event, despite being accepted as the world authority on IBs), with various, odd emotional arguments even thought the AR evidence dwarfed what he had personally approved as completely acceptable in Cuba as evidence 16 years prior. The Cuban species had not been reported or photo'd in 20 years and no photos or audio recording exists of the alleged flying birds of 1987, seen for a few seconds with crows chasing, a possible confusing species.