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Common Crossbill makes five.
I've never heard anybody shout "Common Crossbill" (or Red Crossbill) at my vizmig spot, just as I've never heard anybody shout out "Common Crane". Perhaps there are parts of Scotland where other crossbills are sufficiently regular to warrant general use of the modifier, and perhaps in future we will be yelling "N11 flying north!"
 
I've never heard anybody shout "Common Crossbill" (or Red Crossbill) at my vizmig spot, just as I've never heard anybody shout out "Common Crane". Perhaps there are parts of Scotland where other crossbills are sufficiently regular to warrant general use of the modifier, and perhaps in future we will be yelling "N11 flying north!"
I realised soon after posting the comment that, in most of Britain, just "Crossbill" would be sufficient.
 
It is more than just throwing 'Common' in front of some bird names, though. Take Ringed Plover Charadrius hiaticula. We had two 'ringed plovers': Ringed Plover and Little Ringed Plover. However, now we have Common Ringed Plover and Little Ringed Plover. Why has 'Common' been added? I see no need for it, it is unnecessary. I don't like the use of 'Common' either, as you can tell ;-)

There are other inconsistencies, which might be ironed out. We had Short-toed Lark and Lesser Short-toed Lark (one species is smaller and so it is called 'Lesser'); someone decided to add an unnecessary 'Greater' to create 'Greater Short-toed Lark' to differentiate it from 'Lesser' (because we weren't clever enough to realise). Now with the split of the 'Lesser Short-toed Lark' complex, we no longer have any 'Lesser' (instead Mediterranean, Turkestan, Asian and Sand) but still have 'Greater'...

Brian
 
The fear that somebody can be confused between 'Larus c. canus/brachyrhynchus' is overblown. In any case, 99,9% of such gulls are identified only by range.

By the way, many bird names are fake - they are not used in everyday language by birders, so not used in normal English at all. They exist only in official publications, which makes them similar to e.g. catalogue names. Dictionaries writing names like Common Crossbill should add 'formal' or 'technical' for Crossbill.

Changing bird names should remove fake names and turn actually used names into official ones wherever possible, and avoid creating more fake names. So Common Gull - yes, it is used. Short-billed Gull - not.
 
The fear that somebody can be confused between 'Larus c. canus/brachyrhynchus' is overblown. In any case, 99,9% of such gulls are identified only by range.

By the way, many bird names are fake - they are not used in everyday language by birders, so not used in normal English at all. They exist only in official publications, which makes them similar to e.g. catalogue names. Dictionaries writing names like Common Crossbill should add 'formal' or 'technical' for Crossbill.

Changing bird names should remove fake names and turn actually used names into official ones wherever possible, and avoid creating more fake names. So Common Gull - yes, it is used. Short-billed Gull - not.
Perhaps that is your experience, but in my experience the names used in the guides are the names used by birders. Yes, sometimes birds have nicknames: TVs for Turkey Vultures, Modos for Mourning Doves, butterbuts for Yellow-rumped warblers. And birders will use short-hand in regions where there is only one expected bird of that type (e.g., in Wisconsin when talking to other birders, there is no need to clarify what type of robin or cardinal you are seeing).

As for fears of confusion, many birders still use the guides and taxonomy they first bought/learned 20 years ago. While over most of the range this isn't a problem perhaps, there are certainly areas where it would be. 30 years ago this didn't matter much, but with ebird it now does, since if Mew Gull wasn't changed to Short-billed Gull, every ebird reviewer would have to spend a large chunk of their time querying Mew Gull reports to figure out what they actually referred to. I have heard many many ebird reviewers make these sort of rants about the Winter/Pacific Wren issue, and this is why Ebird I believe changed the Ebird names for the moorhen splits, because they were getting tons of "Common Moorhens" from all over the country, when it should have been Common Gallinule.
 
I noticed that within the species update page, some of the taxa have the wrong AS split listed for them. For instance, West Mexican Euphonia is described as an accepted split of the Scrub Euphonia (which is correct), but under AS Trinidad Euphonia is listed. White-browed Gnatcatcher is listed as split from Yucatan Gnatcatcher but was a split of Tropical as well.
 
As for fears of confusion, many birders still use the guides and taxonomy they first bought/learned 20 years ago. While over most of the range this isn't a problem perhaps, there are certainly areas where it would be. 30 years ago this didn't matter much, but with ebird it now does, since if Mew Gull wasn't changed to Short-billed Gull, every ebird reviewer would have to spend a large chunk of their time querying Mew Gull reports to figure out what they actually referred to. I have heard many many ebird reviewers make these sort of rants about the Winter/Pacific Wren issue, and this is why Ebird I believe changed the Ebird names for the moorhen splits, because they were getting tons of "Common Moorhens" from all over the country, when it should have been Common Gallinule.
Regarding the Gallinule example, surely it falls on individuals to keep up with the taxonomy, especially if submitting records? Reports of Common Moorhen, would surely be from people not aware of the split, same with the Wrens?
 
I noticed that within the species update page, some of the taxa have the wrong AS split listed for them. For instance, West Mexican Euphonia is described as an accepted split of the Scrub Euphonia (which is correct), but under AS Trinidad Euphonia is listed. White-browed Gnatcatcher is listed as split from Yucatan Gnatcatcher but was a split of Tropical as well.
I’m afraid you’re reading the ”List after”-column!
 
Regarding the Gallinule example, surely it falls on individuals to keep up with the taxonomy, especially if submitting records? Reports of Common Moorhen, would surely be from people not aware of the split, same with the Wrens?
Ebird is open to all and many people use it. There are many birders who don't follow taxonomy closely who use it. In this case they will often try to enter in records under old names, even it that old name is only indicated as rare. It's even worse when both forms are rare vagrants to an area. For instance, Pacific Wren and Winter wrens are both rare birds that show up in southern California, and this is a known headache for rare bird committees and ebird reviewers for this area.

I think it's easy to forget that the folks who spend a lot of time online talking about birds are not really representative (at least in the US) of the general birding public. I would guess that of my local birding club, maybe 25% follow taxonomic changes, AT MOST
 
I am not sure I understand you well, Mysticete. Promoting unused bird names to the detriment of lots of normal birders and for the benefit of few reviewers seems to be an illogical 'chart-ahead-of-a-horse' thinking.

About Moorhen / Common Gallinule - I think the confusion is very unlikely. The Old World form was only documented once in the Americas, and none vice versa. And any potential vargant would be surely very publicized otherwise, because of the need of detailed evidence, and therefore easily findable. Leaving aside the problem, that such rarities may be unidentifiable anyway, other than by ring or DNA evidence.
 
I am not sure I understand you well, Mysticete. Promoting unused bird names to the detriment of lots of normal birders and for the benefit of few reviewers seems to be an illogical 'chart-ahead-of-a-horse' thinking.
I agree. We should also consider that in all likelihood, most birders probably don't use eBird (or ornitho, or any other platform like that). So making up new English names just for the sake of accommodating a platform and/or its users seems a bit over the top IMO.
 
I am not sure I understand you well, Mysticete. Promoting unused bird names to the detriment of lots of normal birders and for the benefit of few reviewers seems to be an illogical 'chart-ahead-of-a-horse' thinking.

About Moorhen / Common Gallinule - I think the confusion is very unlikely. The Old World form was only documented once in the Americas, and none vice versa. And any potential vargant would be surely very publicized otherwise, because of the need of detailed evidence, and therefore easily findable. Leaving aside the problem, that such rarities may be unidentifiable anyway, other than by ring or DNA evidence.
I keep saying that I have directly heard from ebird people that this is a problem, and people just insist that it isn't. You know someone does have to go in an manually deal with those records, right?
 
I keep saying that I have directly heard from ebird people that this is a problem, and people just insist that it isn't. You know someone does have to go in an manually deal with those records, right?
I know we are going off topic here, but I don't understand how this is happening on ebird to any significant extent, so long as the regional reviewers have set-up their species filters correctly. I just tried to input a record of "Common Moorhen" at a random wetland in NY, and even if I expand the list options to include rare species, it doesn't appear. I have to manually input it as an additional species, and when I do that I get a message stating that it is a rare species for the location and to add supporting comment, and documentary evidence.

I cancelled the record at this point, but I know it would have been put into quarantine and would not be visible until manually accepted by a reviewer. It is really very little work for a reviewer to reject obviously erroneous records like this, literally a single click in a bulk review.

That isn't to say that splits don't cause real issues of this nature, especially where distributions of the different taxa are complex and not fully known - the Golden-spectacled Warbler complex for example, is a bit of a nightmare.
 
I'd never realised there were so many issues behind determining the English names or that it could be so contentious.

There is an interesting discussion of the new names for the species resulting from the split of Rufous Antpitta (accepted in IOC 11.2) in the SACC Proposal 912.
 

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