Charente- France, Recently fledged chiffchaff? 05/06/2023 (1 Viewer)

[Bewick]

I posted one photo of this bird on a previous thread, this bird was in the same area as a fledged chiffchaff that was the subject of the another thread.

Is this also a recently fledged chiffchaff?

Any help appreciated.

 

[Alexander Stöhr]

Hello,
its either a 1cy Chiffchaff or a Willow Warbler for me too.

These are very difficult to seperate with confidence, but it might well be a Willow Warbler:

• bill base is bright orange, better for a WW ???
• supercilium is really broad, well defined (with a contrasting eye-stripe there) and long behind the eye, better for WW???
• feet are bright yellow, better for WW???
• a distinct eye-ring isnt a reliable feature for Chiffchaff in recently fledged birds???
• is the pp long ??? or short???

Conclusion? Are these real=trustable features? I am not sure, although I looked at many juvenile Chiffchaffs and some WW in recent years now. So I hope for others to comment. Thanks!

Do you have more pictures?

 

[lou salomon]

it's a juvenile (not necessarily recently fledged) and to me pp looks short, thus has to be chiffchaff. bare parts still on their way to get the final colour, so not reliable in this case.