Taphrospilus
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First of all I agree that there is no clear evidence that both are the same person. Nevertheless this doesn't exclude that it isn't possible. In Anatomie en cire, anatomie humaine et comparée, phrénologie, histoire naturelle of the year 1850 you mentioned earlier he called himself:
For me it looks like many natural history dealers from Paris disappeared around the time Guy aîne published this work e. g. Maison Verreaux, Parzudakis, Henry Dupont (many of them discussed here in the forum in the past). Why they disappeared? Maybe due to market saturation/pressure in this area? I can only speculate. So there is a chance that Guy aîne run into financial problems as well and searched for new opportunities in Toulouse.
Of course Phaethornis guy was described in 1833. As the specimen was provided by M. Guy he must have been at least in a certain age. Assuming he was 19 at that time he would have been born around 1814. If he was older the Toulouse guy may become less possible as indeed in 1894 he would have been than more than 80 years. But it is possible as e.g. Marc Athanase Parfait Œillet Des Murs published 1887/88 books (when he was 84 years of age). So why shouldn't Guy pursued his hobby fishes in old age?
Why I think it could be him is the interest in natural history of Paris and Toulouse Guy aîné. It must be coincidence if two Guy aîne existed with very similar interests, but of course it is possible and there is no clear evidence and/or the Toulouse one might be a son of the Paris one. If the J. in HBW Alive key is correct Joseph could supporting this theory (or not as there are other names with J like Jean, Jacques etc.). At the moment I am not even sure if the Joseph Guy (the Elder) mentioned earlier by me in UK might be at least related to all this persons and he was partially living in UK here?
@ James: Where did the J. derived from in the key? At least I couldn't find any J. Guy in Lessons publications (but might be to stupid to find).
P.S. I know a lot of speculation and no clear evidence. Here => Select Cote : 1E553 - Dates : 1892 => page 73 could fit Jean Antoine Joseph Cadinier Guy (age 82) means born around 1809 in Bez-et-Esparon (Gard). But his fathers name was Joseph Guy as well.
Naturaliste, Preparateur d'anatomie artificielle de la Faculté de Médicine de Paris et du Val-de Grace, modeleur de l'Acadédemie de Médecine, Fornisseur des Musées et ècole de Médecine secondaires de France, de plusieurs Universités Étrangeres etc.
For me it looks like many natural history dealers from Paris disappeared around the time Guy aîne published this work e. g. Maison Verreaux, Parzudakis, Henry Dupont (many of them discussed here in the forum in the past). Why they disappeared? Maybe due to market saturation/pressure in this area? I can only speculate. So there is a chance that Guy aîne run into financial problems as well and searched for new opportunities in Toulouse.
Of course Phaethornis guy was described in 1833. As the specimen was provided by M. Guy he must have been at least in a certain age. Assuming he was 19 at that time he would have been born around 1814. If he was older the Toulouse guy may become less possible as indeed in 1894 he would have been than more than 80 years. But it is possible as e.g. Marc Athanase Parfait Œillet Des Murs published 1887/88 books (when he was 84 years of age). So why shouldn't Guy pursued his hobby fishes in old age?
Why I think it could be him is the interest in natural history of Paris and Toulouse Guy aîné. It must be coincidence if two Guy aîne existed with very similar interests, but of course it is possible and there is no clear evidence and/or the Toulouse one might be a son of the Paris one. If the J. in HBW Alive key is correct Joseph could supporting this theory (or not as there are other names with J like Jean, Jacques etc.). At the moment I am not even sure if the Joseph Guy (the Elder) mentioned earlier by me in UK might be at least related to all this persons and he was partially living in UK here?
@ James: Where did the J. derived from in the key? At least I couldn't find any J. Guy in Lessons publications (but might be to stupid to find).
P.S. I know a lot of speculation and no clear evidence. Here => Select Cote : 1E553 - Dates : 1892 => page 73 could fit Jean Antoine Joseph Cadinier Guy (age 82) means born around 1809 in Bez-et-Esparon (Gard). But his fathers name was Joseph Guy as well.
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