I have wondered this many times, for the reasons you set out above.
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It’s May!—has anybody bought/tried out a NL Pure 32 yet? (1 Viewer)
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I can think of a third one, bit this is now a provocation, the entire Birdforum will hate me after this, and I may even be banned from further posting:
3. More or less experience how to use binoculars.
Okay, since Henry and Holger Merlitz are among those who report seeing glare, I have to immediately withdraw this third reason as totally unrealistic (it was on my mind, and so I just had to say it once
😝).
In fact, I think the reason no 1. mentioned by Hermann is a very plausible one, and so is the difference in holding and positioning binoculars - if you are used to using Ultravids all the time and suddenly switch to a Swaro, you may in fact have to adjust your viewing position a bit - that‘s at least my experience.
Canip
I believe, in my #180, I am alluding to your #3 above. I fear this is a real problem of... Birdforum.
As well, as I read Holger via google translate, I believe he's being misrepresented. In fact I see his position and yours to be virtually the same. He saw glare, but eliminated it with bino adjustments and positioning. Also speaks to #3.
Do not agree you should be withdrawing #3. John Roberts posts with pictures on how to hold binoculars, speak to this. Many coming here in search of info about binoculars, are new, do not know. Don't we have duty to be clear to those folks about what some of these terms actually mean, e.g. glare, rolling balls, pincushions? Holger's articles are very helpful to recognizing these things do exist, what they are, and the test pictures he provides enabling one to see if they do or do not experience are invaluable. Those taken with his explanations of how frequently/infrequently people experience are hugely important. Almost never in these back and forth does anyone send a new inquisitor there.
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henry link
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Hi Canip,
I agree with Tom that yours, Holger's and my position on the NL glare are more similar than you think.
We've all reported being able to see it (I've only tried the 8x42) and we can all largely neutralize it with the right IPD and eyecup settings. I also agree with you that having experience with handling and adjusting binoculars is helpful in finding the most glare free positions for the eyecups and the IPD.
It took some time for me to find the very best IPD setting and eyecup length, which for my face falls between two click stops - one millimeter too long and I see more glare than I want to see, a fraction of a millimeter too short and I begin to experience blackouts. At that narrow sweet spot of eyecup length the view is quite relaxed and virtually glare free. Still, I can't say I wouldn't prefer to see better baffling that would block the glare over a wider range of eyecup settings.
Henry
I agree with Tom that yours, Holger's and my position on the NL glare are more similar than you think.
We've all reported being able to see it (I've only tried the 8x42) and we can all largely neutralize it with the right IPD and eyecup settings. I also agree with you that having experience with handling and adjusting binoculars is helpful in finding the most glare free positions for the eyecups and the IPD.
It took some time for me to find the very best IPD setting and eyecup length, which for my face falls between two click stops - one millimeter too long and I see more glare than I want to see, a fraction of a millimeter too short and I begin to experience blackouts. At that narrow sweet spot of eyecup length the view is quite relaxed and virtually glare free. Still, I can't say I wouldn't prefer to see better baffling that would block the glare over a wider range of eyecup settings.
Henry
Very few seem to be willing to accommodate or adjust in any way to a new optic.
"This happens when I do that, and I paid so much money that I have a right to perfection at first look.
If I were like that I would have sent my SF back right away because of kidney beans, but we get along much better now.
I have learned not to do "that" so that "this" doesn't happen.
Fiddling with IPD, eyecup extension, and how I seat them into my eye sockets has fixed all of the initial "problems" which were not really problems, just idiosyncrasies of a new binocular.
"This happens when I do that, and I paid so much money that I have a right to perfection at first look.
If I were like that I would have sent my SF back right away because of kidney beans, but we get along much better now.
I have learned not to do "that" so that "this" doesn't happen.
Fiddling with IPD, eyecup extension, and how I seat them into my eye sockets has fixed all of the initial "problems" which were not really problems, just idiosyncrasies of a new binocular.
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You're right. I once bought a Ferrari but still had to adjust the seat to find the best driving position by myself. Not to mention learn how to get most out of it.
In fact, it was more effort than with a less expensive car.
Maybe it is the same with binos and spending a lot of money does not remove the need to adjust them to you
PeterPS
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Henry,
I had blackout issues with my SF 10x42 but it was easy to get rid of the problem by placing washers under the eyecups.
I tried to do the same with the NLs but that was not possible as the eyecup tubes are conic and don't have a clear flat bottom. On top of it all, the view thru the NL is extremely sensitive to eye placement as you indicated yourself in the above post: "one millimeter too long and I see more glare than I want to see, a fraction of a millimeter too short and I begin to experience blackouts". My question: how did you make the yecups stay put at positions between the click stops?
Peter
Thank you, Henry, I appreciate this clarification!
Our positions are certainly not far apart; the only noteworthy difference from my perspective might be that, while you say you can „largely“ neutralize glare with the right settings / handling, I would say that I can easily „fully“ neutralize it, so that it becomes in fact a non-issue for me. But I admit that I perhaps handle Swarovski binoculars a bit differently than UVs or EDGs.
Canip
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OK, from,
Am I the only one though, don't we really really want to know more about NL Pure 32s? How about this one? From
And, drum roll please.... Chill6x6, IT'S TIME! No pressure, no pressure. (you did say "SOON")
It’s May!—has anybody bought/tried out a NL Pure 32 yet?
we morphed to glare. Interesting, surely. I learned something.Am I the only one though, don't we really really want to know more about NL Pure 32s? How about this one? From
Direct Comparison of 8X32 NL with 8X32 SF?
I bring you this pic from post #2, May 18, below.And, drum roll please.... Chill6x6, IT'S TIME! No pressure, no pressure. (you did say "SOON")
Is EDG, SF, NL and EL, yes?
willisoften
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I wanted to compare them to my ELs, I might have had or made the opportunity to compare them, but honestly I can't afford them. I'm still interested though (sighs sadly).
Be happy with your EL, they are a fine glass, and you will never run out of things they will show you that you didn't even know were there.
They will probably outlast you, and if anything goes wrong Swarovsky will fix it.
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Loddar
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Also from me thanks for the explonation. It is exactly what i noticed too. But i could not describe ist soo well.
At the best position to avaoid v.g the view was very unrelaxed for me.
that is a pitty.
in Jülich Forum 3 people - with a lot of experience in binoculars- report that they own a new 32 NL and all report strong v.g.
That already looks as if the NLs are more receptive to v.g.
At the best position to avaoid v.g the view was very unrelaxed for me.
that is a pitty.
in Jülich Forum 3 people - with a lot of experience in binoculars- report that they own a new 32 NL and all report strong v.g.
That already looks as if the NLs are more receptive to v.g.
willisoften
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You are right of course. Better to enjoy what you have and see what you can see. Some times chewing over equipment (bins) reading magazines and forums are just substitute activities.
Hermann
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With the CL 10x30 it took me several hours until I had found the best IPD setting and eyecup length to minimize glare. Longer than with any other binocular I've handled over the past 40+years. I'm still not entirely happy though. There are other binoculars that handle glare a heck of a lot better.
You can say that again.
Hermann
Gijs van Ginkel
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It will not have escaped the reader of this forum, that I have reported repeatedly, that I never experienced glare with the Swarovski EL 8x32and the NL pure 8x32 (and 8x42).
Therefore it may be helpful to report how I use and have used these binoculars. I turn the eyecups always fully out (I wear no spectacles or contactlenses, so naked eyes), put the binoculars behind my eyes and the images are there, no glare, no reflections in the optical train etc.
That is not only so with the Swarovski binoculars I have used but also with the Leitz-Leica and Zeiss binoculars I have used.
Gijs van Ginkel
Therefore it may be helpful to report how I use and have used these binoculars. I turn the eyecups always fully out (I wear no spectacles or contactlenses, so naked eyes), put the binoculars behind my eyes and the images are there, no glare, no reflections in the optical train etc.
That is not only so with the Swarovski binoculars I have used but also with the Leitz-Leica and Zeiss binoculars I have used.
Gijs van Ginkel
PeterPS
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"I put the binoculars behind my eyes" ----That might explain why you don't see any glare; sorry, I couldn't help it. Now, seriously, in a nutshell: you're not doing anything special.
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Gijs van Ginkel
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PeterPS, post 199,
No I am not doing anything special, just use the binoculars as we usually do( push so to speak the eyecup in your eyes) and never any sign of glare.
Gijs van Ginkel
P.S. I am not vaccinated against glare
No I am not doing anything special, just use the binoculars as we usually do( push so to speak the eyecup in your eyes) and never any sign of glare.
Gijs van Ginkel
P.S. I am not vaccinated against glare
jan van daalen
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Peter,
What you don't know is that Gijs has had surgery and received transplanted Pure bionic eyes.
He is a modest man and doesn't say it normally out loud so when he confesses he has the NLPure behind his eyes, he is very open.
Jan
What you don't know is that Gijs has had surgery and received transplanted Pure bionic eyes.
He is a modest man and doesn't say it normally out loud so when he confesses he has the NLPure behind his eyes, he is very open.
Jan
