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Jan Meijerink tests 10x42 SF (1 Viewer)

I KNOW it's EXTRAORDINARY juvenile 3:) but I laugh at the auto-translate results sometimes:

The focus of the SF is closer to the eyepiece and because the viewer is longer than the EL grab him up more to the front and feels for my taste more pleasant.
 
I KNOW it's EXTRAORDINARY juvenile 3:) but I laugh at the auto-translate results sometimes:

The focus of the SF is closer to the eyepiece and because the viewer is longer than the EL grab him up more to the front and feels for my taste more pleasant.

David:

I would sure like to read the review, but I am unable to translate, I am
not very proficient.

Could you post a link in English.

Thanks, Jerry
 
David:

I would sure like to read the review, but I am unable to translate, I am
not very proficient.

Could you post a link in English.

Thanks, Jerry

I am embarrassed to show my way of doing it because for certain other folks will probably say I'm taking too many steps (I'm not that proficient around most of my coworkers)...

Basically, open the link provided in a browser:

http://www.tvwg.nl/testrapporten/kijkers/zeiss_victory_sf8x42_sf10x42.shtml

When it opens hover the mouse over the URL in the address window and RIGHT click-and then LEFT click "copy"...

Then in a second window or new tab, open Google and type in "Google Translate" :

https://translate.google.com/

Then hover the mouse in the first (left) window and RIGHT click, then LEFT click "paste"

This will then cause the link to reappear in the RIGHT pane, and you can click on it to open in an English translation.

(You know that whole "give a man a fish..." thing...) :t:
 
David:

Thanks, but I don't know how to cut and paste, like you mention.

Maybe someone can post a translated link.

Jerry
 
David:

Thanks, but I don't know how to cut and paste, like you mention.

Maybe someone can post a translated link.

Jerry

Jerry

Here is a translation of the text only: you will need to look at the Dutch test report as you read to refer to illustrations. Hope this works for you.
Note that 'viewer' means binoculars, and the first paragraph refers to the replacement of the former agent for Zeiss in B/NL by a local Zeiss office.

General Comments
Zeiss formerly had its own office in Weesp from which the viewer sale was managed.
About fifteen years ago this plant was closed and the viewer department was pushed Technolyt in Wormerveer.
At that time, Swarovski also booming with very good binoculars and telescopes.
And whether we like it or not, at present, in our country the market completely dominated in the high end by this brand.
This is not only due to the quality of their products, but it certainly is a clever strategy by sales.
The sale of Zeiss binoculars and telescopes are now controlled from the Dutch Zeiss headquartered in Sliedrecht.
The new Zeiss SF viewers are not more than one year on the market, but until now I managed to get it available for a test.
Incomprehensible that even the importer that temporarily could make available for testing. Therefore, we are indebted to birders Photo Konijnenberg in Den Ham
which I could get these viewers for a test on loan.
The e-mails I receive from birders go there many on the question "what is? The best viewer for me." However, I will never appoint a viewer as "best"
partly because the choice often depends on personal preferences.
In this report I will particularly pay attention to the similarities and differences between the Zeiss Victory 10x42 SF and the Swarovski EL 10x42.
I published a report in June 2010 on the EL binoculars from Swarovski. Optical has hardly changed anything in these viewers but the design has undergone minor changes.
Formerly the warranty for both brands in our country for thirty years, but now it is brought back to ten years.
In the table I put next to compare the specifications of the Zeiss Victory SF viewers of the "old" Zeiss Victory 10x42 T * FL and those of the Swarovski EL 10x42.

design
The SF 10x42 is about 70 grams lighter than the EL 10x42, and about 14 mm. longer.
The magnesium viewer housing of the EL is provided with a rather hard green plastic lining, which of SF consists of a gray and clearly softer plastic.
Time will tell whether this higher temperature and with wet hands as possible may feel sticky.
The focus of the SF is closer to the eyepiece and because the viewer is longer than the EL grab him up more to the front and feels for my taste more pleasant.
Moreover, the index finger than exactly on the Focus button, which is not the case with the EL.
The individual ocular adjustment is made at the SF by pulling out an extra button on the focusing screw.
In EL the focus knob must be pulled out in its entirety. I have no preference for one of two methods.


It is known that the focus knob clockwise is heavier at the EL viewers (against spring pressure) counterclockwise.
When SF is the focus in both directions smoothly but I found both the SF 8x as with SF 10x slight play on this button.
SF set with a rotation of 250 degrees (from 3 m. To infinity) slightly faster than the sharp EL 300 degrees.

The effective eye relief is the SFs and the EL 17 mm respectively. and 16 mm. I should like wearer slightly unscrew the eyepiece rings (cups eye) to see any black spots.
When EL is one notch and at the SF needs a bit of feeling. While at the Victory 10x42 T * FL eyepiece rings or snapping at intermediate positions, one has refrained from SF. Pity, because especially when using the eyepiece cap distorts the institution often unintentionally.
In EL the eyepiece rings of metal, but in the SF and FL they are made of plastic which makes a little less solid impression.
When my now 12 year old 10x42T * FL works incidentally, still as before and in addition they are easy to replace if something unexpected should fail.
When the freeze-test (-20 ° C), all movable parts are still prevalent, but the hinge rotation is then very heavy, both for the SF as under the EL.
After thawing, all viewers free of internal condensation.

SF are supplied with a carrying case, straps for bags and binoculars, caps for eyepieces and lenses and a user manual in thirteen different languages ​​except Dutch.
The caps for the lenses by means attaching a string to the viewer but that seems less useful because they me what to dangle in the field.
However, they are easily removed by a special connection. When FL to fix the covers with tight rubber rings around the viewer house and working at my "old" Florida still good. also with the Swarovski EL know they firmly attach to the viewer. The previously used rubber rings were too soft so you lost the caps regularly.
The optical performance
A comparison between the SF and the EL 10x 10x is equal to the larger field of view of the SF on. A viewing angle of nearly 62 degrees is worth a compliment to the Zeiss designers.
As Swarovski Zeiss has now implemented a "field flattening" which reduces the distortion at the edges and increases the edge sharpness.
However, this technique involves the creation of the "globe effect", also called the "rolling ball" effect where the image which seems to undulate when one moves the viewer.
Many observers do not bother them, but some claim it to be dizzy or nauseous. But perhaps it is also a matter of accustoming.
So is the art of keeping this effect within the limits and still provide a reasonably good edge sharpness with little distortion at the edges.
To my taste, the Zeiss succeeded thereby to find a nice compromise. Partly because of the larger field of view is the edge acuity somewhat lower than in the EL, but also the globe effect is less pronounced. Whether or not experience disturbing this phenomenon is very personal and I'm curious to hear the experiences of other users.
So do not hesitate to email me about that.
The display manufacturers as light transmission value of 92% for the SF and 90% for the EL. But there is no mention in for any wavelength, and whether this could be some kind of average for "daylight". In the field, I get the impression that the EL is slightly brighter, but possibly it is because the natural color of the viewer.
The SF has a light, non-irritating yellow cast that makes the image warmer hue.
SF 10x indicates the image edges to see a little less blue / green color than the edges EL and SF 8x just a little more.
The phenomenon is moreover inconvenient in any of the viewers. In the field, I have the SF 10x slightly larger focus range (depth of sharpness) than the EL 10x, possibly due to the slightly longer focal length of the lens SF, but this is just an assumption. The differences are also not very large.
The sharpness of all viewers very well. Both 10x binoculars score on my test card a resolution of 2.8 arc seconds.
The eye means 28 arc seconds and a resolution is not reached by the average human eye.
The magnification listed on viewers is often not 100% exact. On the image of the test chart can be seen that the image of the EL is a little larger than that of the SF.
Finally,
Zeiss has the market now, about 12 years after the release of the top models "Victory T * FL", enriched by the SF-viewers.
These belong to the absolute top, and in this report I made comparisons with the largest competitor, the Swarovski EL 10x42.
I hope that the prospective buyer therefore slightly easier to make a choice. But the final choice is it necessary to compare the next few viewers in a well-equipped shop considered adjacent. Not all eyes can differences are equal and flavors.
Finally, I sincerely hope that with the Zeiss binoculars again gets the attention of the Dutch birders who she used to be and they certainly deserve.
ear questions and / or comments regarding binoculars and telescopes I am only reached by email at [email protected]
(To send you must remove "DITNIET" from the address)
February 2016 J.A. meijerin
 
Jerry

Here is a translation of the text only: ...............

Lee: On behalf of the "silent majority" (I'm sure there are many of us) I'd like to express my gratitude as well. Very helpful, indeed,to have this translation. Particularly with your preliminary remarks. There are limitations with this translation. I don't think I can grasp all of the meanings. Might try the Dutch version for some sentences.
 
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Your thanks are much appreciated gentlemen, but we all need to thank Peter for the link to a much better English text version.

Cheers all

Lee
 
I thought he'd retired but JM has a new report on the Dutch site Twente Vogelwerkgroep

http://www.tvwg.nl/testrapporten/kijkers/zeiss_victory_sf8x42_sf10x42.shtml

Nothing to choose in the resolution images between the SF and the Swaro 10x42 but he notes the Swaro images show a slight magnification boost over the Zeiss SF.

Maybe other new optics tests will follow.
It is a good review but really nothing we don't already know. The Zeiss SF has a bigger FOV and a smoother focus although the reviewer said there was a small amount of play in it. The Swarovski had the famous unequal tension in one direction focuser because of the spring but a trip to Swarovski in my experience will solve that. The reviewer preferred the eyepiece rings in the Swarovski. The Zeiss SF again had a slight tint which he describes as yellow which is probably designed in for increased contrast, whereas, the Swarovski's color rendition was neutral which he preferred and he thought it appeared brighter which makes sense. The Swarovski had sharper edges than the Zeiss SF but he thought it showed more RB if you see it. Two superb binoculars you just have to decide which you prefer.
 
Two superb binoculars you just have to decide which you prefer.

I have made my decision: the SF in 42mm and the SV in 32mm. In a comparison posted on another thread I found the SF 10x42 to be superior to the SV 10x42 in 10 out of 15 categories. The SV 8x32 is an excellent instrument, but it suffers from excessive glare. The SF 32mm will be unveiled in xx months (take a guess...). If it controls glare (my pet peeve with alpha bins) as well as its bigger brothers, I might have to replace my SV 8x32....

Peter.
 
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I have made my decision: the SF in 42mm and the SV in 32mm. In a comparison posted on another thread I found the SF 10x42 to be superior to the SV 10x42 in 10 out of 15 categories. The SV 8x32 is an excellent instrument, but it suffers from excessive glare. The SF 32mm will be unveiled in xx months (take a guess...). If it controls glare (my pet peeve with alpha bins) as well as its bigger brothers, I might have to replace my SV 8x32....

Peter.
You just have to decide if those 10 out of 15 categories are the ones you care about. I have the SV 8x32 and the glare isn't too bad in Colorado. The 10x50 SV is better at glare control and is probably the biggest WOW binocular I have ever looked through because of the AFOV. Swarovski don't use a lot of baffling intentionally in SV's so as not to truncate the exit pupil which gives you an ease of view not found on other binoculars. For a 4mm exit pupil you can move your eyes around a lot with out black outs in the SV 8x32. Most say the color rendition is better on the SV's because of the Zeiss SF's green cast. The SF's biggest optical advantage is the bigger FOV. The focus is a little smoother on the Zeiss SF but Heh the Swaro is not too bad either. You have to decide what is important for you personally. In my opinion the optics are my priority.
 
I have made my decision: the SF in 42mm and the SV in 32mm. In a comparison posted on another thread I found the SF 10x42 to be superior to the SV 10x42 in 10 out of 15 categories. The SV 8x32 is an excellent instrument, but it suffers from excessive glare. The SF 32mm will be unveiled in xx months (take a guess...). If it controls glare (my pet peeve with alpha bins) as well as its bigger brothers, I might have to replace my SV 8x32....

Peter.

Looking forward to the SF32 Peter. I think Stephen Ingraham speculated that it might turn up later this year but this remains to be seen.

In the meantime enjoy your SFs and EL SVs.

Lee
 
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