Nutcracker
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. . . . which is another lie; BTO have just issued a press statement that they have nothing to do with the 'research' that Botham claimed they had done.
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new petition re driven grouse shooting (1 Viewer)
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. . . . which is another lie; BTO have just issued a press statement that they have nothing to do with the 'research' that Botham claimed they had done.
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
And now 93,000 :t: :t:
rosbifs
PutAin STOP
he claimed that no one has been prosecuted in 'england' for hh persecution in the last 15 years. i find this sad not a 'positive' for the shooting industry - and that to me is the crux - the problem being if they could police themselves there would be little to attack but they can't and the door has been left open.
nb there have been prosecutions for illegal traps not necessarily hh specific and prosecutions in scotland
need to strike now while the 'iron is hot'.
a problem to be aware of, if there is a ban, is that the hh will still be persecuted so that 'they' can say 'see it didn't make any difference' - or worse out of spite! gamekeepers will still have their jobs because other shooting and hunting will replace the driven grouse but there could be less policeing...
nb there have been prosecutions for illegal traps not necessarily hh specific and prosecutions in scotland
need to strike now while the 'iron is hot'.
a problem to be aware of, if there is a ban, is that the hh will still be persecuted so that 'they' can say 'see it didn't make any difference' - or worse out of spite! gamekeepers will still have their jobs because other shooting and hunting will replace the driven grouse but there could be less policeing...
Think Beefy Brains should do a bit more of this public debating as its clearly beyond him. It can't be just a coincidence that he goes public again with his ill informed, self preservationist point of view and numbers for banning what he is supposed to be representing spike.
I think Packham summed it up superbly with his "whats controversial about wanting to uphold the law?"
That was Beefy clobbered over the boundary.
I think Packham summed it up superbly with his "whats controversial about wanting to uphold the law?"
That was Beefy clobbered over the boundary.
IAN JAMES THOMPSON
Well-known member
Sadly Ian Botham is winning an online vote in the Northern Echo with support for Ian Botham at 51% and Chris Packham at 49% on the subject of who do the public support over Grouse Shooting.
Ian.
That's a regional response though isn't it?
I was commenting on the petition Ian which has undoubtedly had an increase of late and considering he resides in North Yorkshire I'm hardly surprised he has some level of popularity,
Although 2% in his own area is hardly impressive.
I was commenting on the petition Ian which has undoubtedly had an increase of late and considering he resides in North Yorkshire I'm hardly surprised he has some level of popularity,
Although 2% in his own area is hardly impressive.
Sharp Shin
Stewart Belfield
People are too busy signing the epetition - now 94,705!
cheshirebirder
Well-known member
Article on ITV news at 10 certainly gave the petition a boost ! Moving along to the 100000 mark nicely !
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
97,501 at 23.19 :t:
Less than 2,500 to go!
Less than 2,500 to go!
Penny Clarke
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ProwlingBoy
Active member
I'm disappointed that only 500 people (Total now 98,379) have signed this overnight. What have they been doing, sleeping. We're probably going to have to wait until lunchtime.
John Cantelo
Well-known member
No, 9.00 AM at the latest!
John Cantelo
Well-known member
99,000 exceeded just before 08.30 AM - the countdown begins .....
_TheBirdNerd_
Fledgling birder.
100,245 signatures!! 
Sharp Shin
Stewart Belfield
Well done to Mark, Chris and everyone else concerned. Talk about momentum building! We need to get an even bigger figure by Sept 20th: to lend support in the parliamentary debate, and to ensure that the figure remains well over 100,000, even if some dodgy signatures are found to be included (don't put anything passed the dirty tricks brigade on t"other side).
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Now 104,357 signatures :t:
I was thinking that too; though I'd think it'll still get debated whatever - a bees & neonics petition last year got debated even though it fell just short of the 100,000, with 99,908 signatures.
I was thinking that too; though I'd think it'll still get debated whatever - a bees & neonics petition last year got debated even though it fell just short of the 100,000, with 99,908 signatures.
Unsurprisingly, signatures from outside the country are not counted, but I would happily sign this one. It is an odious activity, killing as much as possible while hobnobbing with the 'elite'.
A glimpse of how it is marketed as an 'aspirational' activity to well heeled financial types, read this Bloomberg article.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo...elfth-in-the-uk-grouse-shooting-season-begins
A glimpse of how it is marketed as an 'aspirational' activity to well heeled financial types, read this Bloomberg article.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo...elfth-in-the-uk-grouse-shooting-season-begins
speyghillie
Well-known member
As a guy who lives in the Scottish Highlands, before I sign I wonder how people feel about fishing for pleasure ? , is that considered a cruel sport ?
Thanks Gordon.
Thanks Gordon.
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