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Nomenclature burnout (1 Viewer)

Larry Sweetland

Formerly 'Larry Wheatland'
Is this a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition yet? And if so is it on the rise? Asking because I think a friend might have contracted it, and I'm wondering whether or not they're alone, and what I can do about it. Are there therapy groups to hand? Groups where like minded birders can still understand what each other are on about by saying things like:-

"You know, the one with the dark crown, whatever it's called these days", or "the southern version, whatever you might want to call it" or "You know, the one that last month was called this, but last year it was called that, and depending on what book you've got it's called this or that, or it might not be called that because some people don't like it being called that, although others do, and it doesn't matter what you call it because next week it'll probably be called something else anyway... by some people, but maybe not by the person standing next to you who spots one flying by."

Speaking as someone who has spent most of my life delighting in learning a whole load of bird names, including even a decent chunk of scientific binomials (the understanding of them enriched by me having learnt a bit of latin at school), I've reached the point now where I simply can't keep up without my brain exploding. What must it be like for casual nature-loving people who aren't obsessed by avian taxonomy and linguistics and have an even worse memory than me? 🤯.

What's the point? Am I still expected to believe that at some point it will stabilise and everyone will all agree to call things by the same common names and/or scientific names? Or are more and more of these names just going to continue to change at an ever accelerating rate, as appears to be happening with no end but n sight? Some people are now finally agreeing to split things that other people have now agreed to lump that they agreed to split only a few months ago, and still people are arguing over what to call them to make it more accessible and understandable to "the people"🤣🤣.

Of course it's complicated, and of course it's always going to be changing, but trying to pretend it's actually helpful to get people to engage more with wildlife by naming things appropriately is just a ludicrous joke when you consider that any layperson could look up a scientific name or a common name and come up with progressively more and more options as to what on earth that name might actually mean in terms of a taxon.

Is anyone else experiencing nomenclature burnout? And if so what sedatives do you recommend?
 
Is this a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition yet? And if so is it on the rise? Asking because I think a friend might have contracted it, and I'm wondering whether or not they're alone, and what I can do about it. Are there therapy groups to hand? Groups where like minded birders can still understand what each other are on about by saying things like:-

"You know, the one with the dark crown, whatever it's called these days", or "the southern version, whatever you might want to call it" or "You know, the one that last month was called this, but last year it was called that, and depending on what book you've got it's called this or that, or it might not be called that because some people don't like it being called that, although others do, and it doesn't matter what you call it because next week it'll probably be called something else anyway... by some people, but maybe not by the person standing next to you who spots one flying by."

Speaking as someone who has spent most of my life delighting in learning a whole load of bird names, including even a decent chunk of scientific binomials (the understanding of them enriched by me having learnt a bit of latin at school), I've reached the point now where I simply can't keep up without my brain exploding. What must it be like for casual nature-loving people who aren't obsessed by avian taxonomy and linguistics and have an even worse memory than me? 🤯.

What's the point? Am I still expected to believe that at some point it will stabilise and everyone will all agree to call things by the same common names and/or scientific names? Or are more and more of these names just going to continue to change at an ever accelerating rate, as appears to be happening with no end but n sight? Some people are now finally agreeing to split things that other people have now agreed to lump that they agreed to split only a few months ago, and still people are arguing over what to call them to make it more accessible and understandable to "the people"🤣🤣.

Of course it's complicated, and of course it's always going to be changing, but trying to pretend it's actually helpful to get people to engage more with wildlife by naming things appropriately is just a ludicrous joke when you consider that any layperson could look up a scientific name or a common name and come up with progressively more and more options as to what on earth that name might actually mean in terms of a taxon.

Is anyone else experiencing nomenclature burnout? And if so what sedatives do you recommend?
God yes, all of this. Thankfully I've not seen enough to suffer from a severe case. What it must be like for anyone with a list north of 4 or 5 thousand doesn't bare contemplating.
 
As far as taxonomic change goes, what part is causing you burnout? the splitting/lumping? change in genera? Stuff moving around the tree?

Some general thoughts:

I think things are significantly stabilizing as far as the general shape of the tree of life for birds is concerned, at least for extant taxa. Adjustments being made are comparatively minor as we sample more and more taxa. Even when a weirdo is found, its usually only jumping outside a family or into a closely related one. I don't think we are going to get anything with extant species the equivalent of Falcons being more closely related to songbirds than hawks.

If we are talking about splitting and lumping, well to some degree that is always going to have some arbitrariness. I think also the same thing goes with rank. I think changes will become fewer overall but stuff is still going to flip back and forth as opinions on how species should be recognized. I think to some degree it will "settle down" but changes are still going to be happening. This stuff though has always done that, the difference is simply:

New methods allow more scientific means of answering taxonomy methods.
The internet and electronic publication means information is disseminated instantly and regularly, and is (mostly) available to everyone
There are a hell of a lot more ornithologists with an interest in taxonomy now then there was even 40 years ago.

I consider this a positive for science. We are not back in the old days when a few ornithologists might publish a new taxonomy only every few decades, where most of the changes would be only vaguely justified, and might have been made with no field experience with the bird whose taxonomy is being changed. That information would then only gradually shift down to the public through field guides or checklists.

For those suffering burnout, I would suggest the following two options:

One, translate your lifelist to ebird or similar birdlist software that allows auto-updating. Most splits are of taxa that are allopatric or at least mostly allopatric: let the the software/website handle your splits and lumps.

If two isn't an option, just step away. Plenty of birders enjoy birding without doing much listing. Or just worry about your regional list. It's not like either Europe or North America are locations that have the degree of taxonomic upheaval as you see in Africa or the South Pacific. If you don't update your list IOC is not going to send storm troopers to your house and make you do so. And really, absolutely no one actually cares about your list except yourself. unless you are in the running for having the largest life list in the world (which most of us are not remotely in that ballpark)
 
Some interesting and valid points. Re getting the software to do it all for me, this is exactly the issue that I'm trying to avoid. What I'm most saddened by, is my own ability to remain interested in learning and remembering so many new names and changes. Max capacity has been overloaded, and something I've found interesting for years now just feels dead to me. These are the symptoms of Nomenclature Burnout.
 
Severe nomenclatoritis is only curable by a descent into lunacy or the final passing (I was going to use ‘death,’ but somebody would doubtless object to that). Like Larry I have found great pleasure in the usage and meaning of bird names, both common and scientific, but have not allowed that to sully the more pleasurable hobby of watching birds. I keep my own check-list of birds seen and heard, and have never been impressed by the efforts of committees and IT sites to do that on my behalf. My ‘twitching’ days are behind me, although I still enjoy seeing ‘new’ birds, and I find myself moving further and further away from the BirdForum maelstrom that erupts every time somebody chokes on Common Gull, Slightly-greener Tyrannulet, or Former-slaveowner’s Barbet.
 
For me, seeing a bird is an experience. So armchair splitting is pointless for me. Like a sportsman improving his score by moving goalposts instead of running, and others cheering him.

'Running a marathon became so much better after the kilometers were split'.

Perhaps helpful is an understanding that bird ranks like species are human creations with no basis in science. So you can produce infinite different nomenclatures, all equally valid, until you get bored. In fact, there is more phylogenies, clade names etc possible in birds than a human being has time to produce during a lifetime.
 
Have you thought of going out and just looking at birds. Just appreciate them for what they are- they do not care about taxonomy and you don't have to either. Enjoy the mindfulness that our hobby provides.

On a more academic note, as biological systems are constantly in flux and evolution an ever-present force, it will never be settled. I guess finding a happy medium between nomenclature and your enjoyment is key.
 
We are not back in the old days when a few ornithologists might publish a new taxonomy only every few decades,

Actually, with genomes of most of the major groups of birds sequenced, ornithology should be again at the time of stability, because all the raw information about the birds was already gathered?

translate your lifelist to ebird or similar birdlist software that allows auto-updating

Re getting the software to do it all for me, this is exactly the issue that I'm trying to avoid

Agree. For a well traveled birder, inputting records from many trips into a software is a major task. It will take tens of hours which could be otherwise spent outdoors, and is even more likely to cause burnout.

Plus, when relying on an external software, you can lose your work. Nobody is willing to rely on that the Ebird will still be used, for example, 20 years to the future? It may be discontinued, it may go behind a paywall, it may become laughably obsolete...
 
Agree. For a well traveled birder, inputting records from many trips into a software is a major task. It will take tens of hours which could be otherwise spent outdoors, and is even more likely to cause burnout.
Tens of weeks is a better estimate. I know this because I uploaded 20 years of bird records into eBird. Hardest part: Finding the latitude and longitude of every location being reported from. And if your data consists of a box of dog-eared notebooks you have to copy it all into spreadsheets to be uploaded. Make sure you spell the species names correctly!
Plus, when relying on an external software, you can lose your work. Nobody is willing to rely on that the Ebird will still be used, for example, 20 years to the future? It may be discontinued, it may go behind a paywall, it may become laughably obsolete...
 
For a well traveled birder, inputting records from many trips into a software is a major task. It will take tens of hours which could be otherwise spent outdoors, and is even more likely to cause burnout.
It was, even for me (I had only a few years under my belt when I started importing my sightings). But after that it will save you tons of time, and it is really nice to have it all organised in a database.

Plus, when relying on an external software, you can lose your work. Nobody is willing to rely on that the Ebird will still be used, for example, 20 years to the future? It may be discontinued, it may go behind a paywall, it may become laughably obsolete...
Use Scythebill instead! It is free and open source, so no risk that your own data will one day be behind a paywall. It will take care of many of the splits and lumps automatically. Open source also means that if some day it doesn't get maintained anymore, somebody else can pick it up and continue maintaining it.
 
It was, even for me (I had only a few years under my belt when I started importing my sightings). But after that it will save you tons of time, and it is really nice to have it all organised in a database.


Use Scythebill instead! It is free and open source, so no risk that your own data will one day be behind a paywall. It will take care of many of the splits and lumps automatically. Open source also means that if some day it doesn't get maintained anymore, somebody else can pick it up and continue maintaining it.

And a better option again is to use both - EBird to record in the field and then a simple import to Scythebill - this is my preferred option
 
Is this a diagnosable and potentially treatable condition yet? And if so is it on the rise? Asking because I think a friend might have contracted it, and I'm wondering whether or not they're alone, and what I can do about it. Are there therapy groups to hand? Groups where like minded birders can still understand what each other are on about by saying things like:-

"You know, the one with the dark crown, whatever it's called these days", or "the southern version, whatever you might want to call it" or "You know, the one that last month was called this, but last year it was called that, and depending on what book you've got it's called this or that, or it might not be called that because some people don't like it being called that, although others do, and it doesn't matter what you call it because next week it'll probably be called something else anyway... by some people, but maybe not by the person standing next to you who spots one flying by."

Speaking as someone who has spent most of my life delighting in learning a whole load of bird names, including even a decent chunk of scientific binomials (the understanding of them enriched by me having learnt a bit of latin at school), I've reached the point now where I simply can't keep up without my brain exploding. What must it be like for casual nature-loving people who aren't obsessed by avian taxonomy and linguistics and have an even worse memory than me? 🤯.

What's the point? Am I still expected to believe that at some point it will stabilise and everyone will all agree to call things by the same common names and/or scientific names? Or are more and more of these names just going to continue to change at an ever accelerating rate, as appears to be happening with no end but n sight? Some people are now finally agreeing to split things that other people have now agreed to lump that they agreed to split only a few months ago, and still people are arguing over what to call them to make it more accessible and understandable to "the people"🤣🤣.

Of course it's complicated, and of course it's always going to be changing, but trying to pretend it's actually helpful to get people to engage more with wildlife by naming things appropriately is just a ludicrous joke when you consider that any layperson could look up a scientific name or a common name and come up with progressively more and more options as to what on earth that name might actually mean in terms of a taxon.

Is anyone else experiencing nomenclature burnout? And if so what sedatives do you recommend?

Your friendly neighborhood Dialectical Behavior Therapist might suggest that a birder may embrace the linguistic reality that any one thing (such as a bird species) may have multiple names and that is okay. (Insert boxed breathing technique here)

Language, both scientific and otherwise, has never been "stabilized" and we have an entire subforum here to prove it. But as long as one person states something and the other person understands it - that is effective communication. And if it takes a few sentences of extra explanation to achieve that, then its still alright.
 
'Free' yes, but I don't think Scythebill is 'open source'; at least I don't see any source to be downloaded. (obviously, taxonomies are not 'source' )
Yes, it's open source - I can't remember off the top of my head which one, but it is in one of the open source DBs- Adam Winer, who is a member here, could probably supply more details
 
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Plus, when relying on an external software, you can lose your work. Nobody is willing to rely on that the Ebird will still be used, for example, 20 years to the future? It may be discontinued, it may go behind a paywall, it may become laughably obsolete...
eBird was started 22 years ago in 2002--it has only gotten better and more central to birding since then, evolving without difficulty along with changes in technology, such as smart phones. It was started and is run by the world-renowned Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology and is funded by them and the National Audubon Society. Both of these non-profit organizations have been in existence for over 100 years. I see absolutely no basis to be concerned about its future over the next 20 years. And if there were some change, both the birding and scientific communities would overwhelmingly desire continuity and continued access to the recorded data.
 
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I stand corrected: I found the source here:

http://bitbucket.org/scythebill/scythebill-birdlist

(the link is on the FAQ page)
Yes, absolutely 100% open-source. There's also a link to bitbucket inside the app (Help -> Report an issue).

And I'd be thrilled to have another birder/coder helping out - there've been a couple of small contributions over the years, but nothing large. (It's a bittersweet source of amusement when I get a support email addressed to "the Scythebill team".)
 

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