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So, just what is a binocular factory? (1 Viewer)

Me either. You have to start someplace if you want your own optics company. That is likely the first avenue to look at. Who knows where you will go from there.

It is not hard to set up your own optics business. It could include
binoculars, spotting scopes and rifle scopes.

The China Kunming connection is well known, and it would not take
much effort. There are many sellers with the very same optics with
just a little different armor and a label.

It takes a marketing plan, and there you go.

And offer a limited lifetime warranty. What does that mean, only
good until the seller quits business, and then you are stuffed. :eek!:
If you want to know the meaning of stuffed, just ask.

Ask those on here rushing to purchase a Brunton product, how the warranty works. There is not any.
I am not interested in that, maybe you can tell.

Jerry
 
I wouldnt disagree with the high lighted part at all. But if General Motors shut down all production and went to Kia and contracted them to build 100% of their automobiles would they still be a manufacturer, or would they be an importer who rebrands? I dont know the answer.

But the argument has been going on a while. It's a big deal in wrist watches, people will say for a company to be a watch maker they should build 100% in house, movements, cases and bracelets. But then the fact that companies like MRP SA make the same watch case for a half dozen different big name companies falls on deaf ears, and the fact that Seiko builds everything in house is ignored or minimized. Egos end up in the mix somewhere.

Again, I'm not knocking Vortex or anyone else. I just feel all of them get a little loose with descriptions these days.

Every culture that forgets to do things with their hands ends up going down the tubes to those who didn't.

The engineering types think they are safe. And they are . . . for a while. But while our youth is learning to text and twitter, young people from foreign cultures are coming here to pay attention in school, and get the well-paying jobs, while the rest of their families learn to stay home and produce products that we keep buying.

The brilliant in our culture refuse to chip a nail, or see the day when those of foreign cultures will learn enough about ENGINEERING to take those jobs, too.

Bye, Bye, Beemer! :eek!:

Bill
 
Every culture that forgets to do things with their hands ends up going down the tubes to those who didn't.

The engineering types think they are safe. And they are . . . for a while. But while our youth is learning to text and twitter, young people from foreign cultures are coming here to pay attention in school, and get the well-paying jobs, while the rest of their families learn to stay home and produce products that we keep buying.

The brilliant in our culture refuse to chip a nail, or see the day when those of foreign cultures will learn enough about ENGINEERING to take those jobs, too.

Bye, Bye, Beemer! :eek!:

Bill

I know several engineers who had to take very low paying jobs because they couldnt find work in their field. Seems for engineering design, the job can be farmed out to China or India much cheaper than done in house, and for field engineers companies can bring in an engineer on an H1B visa and those guys will work for about a third of what locals work for. And for the most part they are meek and mild, if they start complaining about low pay, the company just sends them back to where ever they got them from.

I'm not sure they refuse to chip a nail as much as we teach them from an early age that if they wish to be anything other than a white collar professional they will be a loser. I did a little stuff with the American Welding Society in regards to high school career counselors. For the most part the only people that get directed to the trades are the ones who they think will drop out or who are unable to make it in higher education.

The most common job in America right now is a truck driver, yet more people are in college than ever before. Companies say they cant find an educated work force in the US, so they move production to Mexico, China and India.

So I am more inclined to blame the culture we have raised our youth in, than the youth theirself.

Sorry for getting off topic
 
Me either. You have to start someplace if you want your own optics company. That is likely the first avenue to look at. Who knows where you will go from there.

That may be true, but as far as my personal preference goes, I want someone who can fix, repair, upgrade,etc my optic in house, in the USA. That would include Leupold, Swarovski, and Meopta. I have zero interest in doing business with strictly a "rebadger", "importer", or the like.
 
That may be true, but as far as my personal preference goes, I want someone who can fix, repair, upgrade,etc my optic in house, in the USA. That would include Leupold, Swarovski, and Meopta. I have zero interest in doing business with strictly a "rebadger", "importer", or the like.
Thanks, a well stated personal opinion of his thoughts. Probably a lot of people will agree with you.
 
I know several engineers who had to take very low paying jobs because they couldnt find work in their field. Seems for engineering design, the job can be farmed out to China or India much cheaper than done in house, and for field engineers companies can bring in an engineer on an H1B visa and those guys will work for about a third of what locals work for. And for the most part they are meek and mild, if they start complaining about low pay, the company just sends them back to where ever they got them from.

I'm not sure they refuse to chip a nail as much as we teach them from an early age that if they wish to be anything other than a white collar professional they will be a loser. I did a little stuff with the American Welding Society in regards to high school career counselors. For the most part the only people that get directed to the trades are the ones who they think will drop out or who are unable to make it in higher education.

The most common job in America right now is a truck driver, yet more people are in college than ever before. Companies say they cant find an educated work force in the US, so they move production to Mexico, China and India.
So I am more inclined to blame the culture we have raised our youth in, than the youth theirself.

Sorry for getting off topic


To late to apologize. Culture is a minor matter when well educated Americans are getting laid off.

I'm inclined to blame it on the higher wages paid here. It is a business decision based on many economic factors that affect the bottom line. To blame it on "culture" is a smoke screen hiding the reasons.

I read something recently that even Legal Research is being farmed out to India because the hourly rates are lower there.

I'm also inclined to believe that you get what you pay for.

Bob
 
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Thanks, a well stated personal opinion of his thoughts. Probably a lot of people will agree with you.

150216

Back in the Stone Age, when Cory and I started in navy optics, we played everything related to repair and collimation close to the vest. We KNEW very few others knew what they were doing … and cared even less. Now, we are trying to give the info away as fast as we can in the hopes that a few oddballs (as big as we were) will pick up something, go on to learn more, and help others.

Cory gives a class every year on “tail-of the-arc” collimation (hands on) and operates his optical repair business. I teach (academically) the difference between “Collimation and Conditional Alignment” (the Internet is rife with well-meaning but misleading BS on collimation), and try to help on these forums. This is humbling, because it gives me a chance to broach a topic I KNOW empirically to be true only to face the opinions of those who, having NEVER opened a bino in their lives, think differently—usually because of some magazine article written by a would-be “expert” or what’s written on the side of a box.

But then, when shadows are growing long, and 20,000 words have been expended, it feels good when someone, who is trusted, comes out of the woodwork to vindicate my initial premise. When I was over on Cloudy Nights, some people approached me to give them pointers on starting a binocular repair business. In no instance, however, was that really what was wanted; most of the work couldn't be done from a sofa. :eek!:

Cheers,

Bill
 
To late to apologize. Culture is a minor matter when well educated Americans are getting laid off.

I'm inclined to blame it on the higher wages paid here. It is a business decision based on many economic factors that affect the bottom line. To blame it on "culture" is a smoke screen hiding the reasons.

I read something recently that even Legal Research is being farmed out to India because the hourly rates are lower there.

I'm also inclined to believe that you get what you pay for.

Bob

My comments on culture were really pointed towards the chip fingernails part of Bills post. I agree with you though.
 
OK, I can mostly agree with this and is the sort of answer I was driving toward getting with regard to my last post.

However, once the elements from the first quoted paragraph are specified, it is still a Scmidt-Pechan, an Abbe Koening, or a porro. So is specifying the elements actually design, or is it just specifying the elements in the established design? Seems there is (or at least could be) a difference to me. If specifying the elements is the generally accepted criteria for design, that is more than OK with me.

I agree that my dream house may well seem ill specified to some and it got botched with poor design and QC. An analogy is never perfect. ;)


The prism type...and coatings... are part of the design, just like the lenses.
There isn't actually an established design for this prism and that power
and objective. There aren't fixed sets of 'accepted criteria' because
there are tradeoffs and customer preferences vary.
The design of the eyepiece and/or flattener/focuser lens
is of greater importance than the prisms, usually. That controls the field
properties. And the mechanical smoothness and precision are connected
tightly to keeping left-right sharpness, and thus 3D and contrast
improvement in the cortex. The design is practically everything need to
do the whole optical job. Even the baffling and blackening along the
path is important. You can see examples in the 70s-80s of the exact same
collection of lenses and prisms with either stainless precision focusers
and lamp-black tunnels or short tunnels, wobbly plastic focuser arms,
and semi-gloss interiors instead of flat black. Just those things make
for a hazier, less vivid view with poor 3D. The design is anything that counts.
You could decorate the outside weirdly or in camo, but the optical path
is what matters.
 
Most "factories" get their sand for optical glass from Hoya in Japan, even Schott buys from them, so even if you make your own glass you are still not a "factory" by some definitions.
Leupold has parts made all over the world, some lenses are coated here in the US by Pyrex I believe and many components are produced in the US and assembled here.
For a time it was rumored that certain lens coating were so nasty environmentally that they were actually done in places like North Korea.
A Fed Ex pilot who flew into Somalia told me that for about four years he was carrying a lot of optical glass that was being coated there because of environmental concerns, it went to China, Korea and Europe to be assembled.
The US government (and others too) have satellites that can discern some of these industrial processes and know who does what.
All of this is very tightly controlled information by the companies involved so most of us really have no idea what happens where.
Design and quality control is the most important aspect of the optical chain, some done onsite and some done by batch.
Just my two cents.
Art
 
Schott Glass which is part of Zeiss AG has 14 plants in North America. One of them is 20 miles from where I live. It makes "Advanced Optics." If you click on the plant location you can find out the type of work they do: Flat Glass; Electronic packaging; Gov't Services in Arlington, VA; etc.. No info is given for the 3 Mexican plants or a couple of the USA plants.

http://www.us.schott.com/english/locations.html

Bob
 
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