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Sparrowhawk running amok (1 Viewer)

Hi Jos
You really don't like me do you:-O:-O Cat people soon get this impression of me. ;)
By the way,I have been studying birds within a few Ornithological societies for over past 40 years, I completed my first book of English birds in 1989 my next book the Shell Guide to birds Britain and Ireland will also hopefully be completed on my 3 weeks birding to the cairngorms and the isle of Skye.with birding boat trips and the use of a guide if necessary.
But when you reach my age jos you do tend to store a lot of data in the old gray matter and even at my age you can still remember most of it ;) the problem is I can not remember what I did yesterday.
All the best Jos.
Rex. :t:


PS.
Forgot to mention, I did have a lot of help with ticking off birds as I spent many many hours helping out at ringing site's,much more rewarding than twitching.
 
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And she can spell raptors, as well.....

If you're going to be sat in a hide ten metres away, I think the high powered water pistol bit is probably unnecessary....I'm sure a clap of the hands or a shout will do.[/QUOT

Afraid not Fat Scoles.
The predator requires a soaking that it will remember a clap will be forgot within a very short time,and the squirt of water will do no harm to the bird.
Regards
Rex. :t:
 
The predator requires a soaking that it will remember!!!!!

As has been pointed out already, this is probably not the fittest of birds. The last thing it requires is a soaking. What it requires is an easy meal, which it gets by catching inexperienced birds at a bird table.

I really don't think we should be encouraging people to build hides in their gardens, sit waiting there all day, and then squirt water pistols at sparrowhawks. Not because it's cruel, but because it's mental. It's much more healthy to try to encourage people to tolerate the less comfortable sides of nature, which is what people have been trying to do here.
 
Hi Paul
Yes you are 100% correct in what you say, if the raptor is not well(if).but that is only an assumption, all birds will take the easy option to feed just like the peregrines that have moved into cities and feed from feral and racing pigeons.or the tits feeding on peanuts from our feeders.
The question was how can I safely stop this sparrow hawk from killing birds while I continue to feed I made my suggestion in my opinion it could work. most members of this forum don't require telling that if you stop feeding the hawk it will go away.:-O
 
Why not just enjoy the sprawk as the fabulous, and 100% natural, hunter that it is :t: I find them a thrilling bird to encounter :king:

It's all part of the natural balance of things - greenfly are eaten by blue tits, worms by blackbirds, snails by song thrush etc etc - everything has to eat to survive. And yes, much as I cringe when I see a stoat hunting a rabbit (because I'm a sentimental old moo who likes rabbits :-O) and mentally will the bunny to run faster ;) I know that stoats have to eat too....and are a darn sight quicker and more humane than that human-induced myxie :-C

Perhaps bang on the window and the sprawk might scarper - they always used to fly off as soon as I approached the window....despite me WANTING to get a good look at them through my binoculars :smoke:
 
Why not just enjoy the sprawk as the fabulous, and 100% natural, hunter that it is :t: I find them a thrilling bird to encounter :king:

It's all part of the natural balance of things - greenfly are eaten by blue tits, worms by blackbirds, snails by song thrush etc etc - everything has to eat to survive. And yes, much as I cringe when I see a stoat hunting a rabbit (because I'm a sentimental old moo who likes rabbits :-O) and mentally will the bunny to run faster ;) I know that stoats have to eat too....and are a darn sight quicker and more humane than that human-induced myxie :-C

Perhaps bang on the window and the sprawk might scarper - they always used to fly off as soon as I approached the window....despite me WANTING to get a good look at them through my binoculars :smoke:

Nice post Gill
Came in at just the right time to cool things down:-O
regards
Rex.:t:
 
I really don't think we should be encouraging people to build hides in their gardens, sit waiting there all day, and then squirt water pistols at sparrowhawks. Not because it's cruel, but because it's mental.

Hi, FPS,
I guess this wouldn't be the 'mental' in the meaning 'intellectual process' (which mostly has positive connotations), or the meaning in current 'yoof' parlance that provides an easy lazy insult now that such terms as 'spaz' have run their course without general acceptance? Of course, I know the earlier and now outdated (see OED online) meaning of 'daft' is what you meant, and in which case is cheerfully accepted as appropriate opinion!

I like being considered outdated; keep up the good work!
MJB
 
Hi everyone I was wondering if anyone can suggest a way of discouraging a Sparrowhawk from my feeders, it is killing far too many small birds, it will sometimes sit on top of the feeder for an hour or more until some unfortunate little bird tries to land on the feeder but notices the Sparrowhawk too late, it's no contest when this happens, it was great at first to see this magnificent bird close up when it first put in an appearance about a month ago but now it is running amok, any suggestions to discourage it.

Its nature John. Its what the world is all about. You should let the hawk be and marvel at its weaponry.
 
Hi

( Its nature John. Its what the world is all about. You should let the hawk be and marvel at its weaponry. )

Very true but it is also human nature to protect the week from the strong, That is what man as done to himself,and it is quite normal for the post starter to want to protect the small birds that he feeds.
Myself when the sparrow hawk swoops across my feeders it is a time to enjoy, for other it is a disturbing time.
Man as been interfering with nature for a very long time now the way he breads birds and mammals to please humans is disturbing.
So harmlessly squirting a sparrow hawk with water to stop it killing birds at this persons feeders in my opinion well worth a try. if the end result is the raptor moving on.
Best regards
Rex
 
Hi

( Its nature John. Its what the world is all about. You should let the hawk be and marvel at its weaponry. )

Very true but it is also human nature to protect the week from the strong, That is what man as done to himself,and it is quite normal for the post starter to want to protect the small birds that he feeds.
Myself when the sparrow hawk swoops across my feeders it is a time to enjoy, for other it is a disturbing time.
Man as been interfering with nature for a very long time now the way he breads birds and mammals to please humans is disturbing.
So harmlessly squirting a sparrow hawk with water to stop it killing birds at this persons feeders in my opinion well worth a try. if the end result is the raptor moving on.
Best regards
Rex


Hi Rex

Im sorry but your arguement doesn't add up, Sparrowhawks are not "the strong" and tits etc. are not "the weak". That is very simplistic.

Nature has a balance. The weak die and the strong survive. Weak Sparrowhawks have a tough time finding and catching food. Are you willing to help these weak Sparrowhawks get a meal?
It seems to me you don't care about weak Sparrowhawks, only strong tits.

In other words you want to insulate yourself from the reality of nature and have lots and lotsa tits in your life. Which is a great pity because nature in action is much more beautiful than anything man can conjure.
 
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That is very simplistic..

Actually, there's been more than enough “simplistic” on all sides of the argument so far to go around for everybody. People put out feeders for various reasons: they like to watch birds close up, they like to feed them, they like to watch some birds feeding on others. None of these motives is mutually exclusive & none is more or less “natural” than any other. We’re human beings, not ants, & different individuals have different (human) reasons for doing things. Nature in this context is just an abstraction, not some sort of imperative which we’re compelled to live by. What conceivable meaning can “letting nature take its course” have in a first-world suburban backyard anyway?.

Personally, even though I get a thrill out of seeing the occasional bird-of-prey kill at my feeders, I still try to provide as much protective cover for the small fry as I can. But that’s just me--other people play God in other ways, but play God they do. Like it or not, complete neutrality in matters of this kind is simply not an option.
 
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I usually jump to the defence of Sparrowhawks when a thread like this crops up, but I'd just be repeating much of what's already been said. However, there is a double standard when it comes to Hawks and Corvids.

Those that appear happy to watch a Thrush stretch a Worm until a bit breaks off, get distressed by seeing a Sparrowhawk eat a bird. A Nature program, showing Lions catch and kill Zebras, is watched by some, and the prowess of the Lion marvelled at. Yet the prowess of the Sparrowhawk (another Apex predator), is somehow less of a marvel to those same people.

OK, we're Human, and we all interfere with Nature; some like the "cute and fluffy" side, others prefer the "warts and all" side. But if you wouldn't scare off a starving Lion, why scare off a Sparrowhawk? Or do those that "clap their hands" or "bang on the window" do the same thing when a Thrush or Blackbird lands in the garden.

Whatever is said here, some people will never accept Sparrowhawks feeding in their garden, especially when it's "their" birds that are the prey. Personally, I think these people are missing the chance to witness their own version of a Lion killing/eating a Zebra, but it's their choice. But I do wonder when the Sparrowhawks that are scared off last ate, and will eat next. Feeding the birds is good, preventing birds from feeding isn't, IMHO.
 
Hi Chris
I think we all understand your meaning and what you say is correct, but at this time of year raptors are normally in fine fettle feeding on the starving small birds and animals so if the sparrow hawk is weak ?? should it survive under artificial condition.
When birders are out on the salt marshes and other splashes one of the most exiting experience for any birder is to see a Peregrine take a wader that is natural to me.
But artificially feeding garden bird, although very essential in my opinion is done as been said both for the enjoyment of the human that is putting out food and giving the sparrow hawk the opportunity to easily catch its food. Both to most naturalist are perfectly acceptable but for the human who finds it upsetting to see small birds killed at their feeders. Please explain what is wrong with an armless shot of water if it deters the raptor and moves it on, I could understand if I had suggested a pole-trap an air-rifle or catapult.
The problem with most forum discussions we sometimes express our opinions as facts this is why when I discus cats I always back it up with links to trials by large societies or universities and not well known naturist personal opinions,but it still gets me into trouble:-O but if you were to see me and the neighbors ginger cat sharing the garden seat looking at the moon it may bring a smile to some.
Best regards
Rex.
 
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Hi Chris
I think we all understand your meaning and what you say is correct, but at this time of year raptors are normally in fine fettle feeding on the starving small birds and animals so if the sparrow hawk is weak ?? should it survive under artificial condition.
When birders are out on the salt marshes and other splashes one of the most exiting experience for any birder is to see a Peregrine take a wader that is natural to me.
But artificially feeding garden bird, although very essential in my opinion is done as been said both for the enjoyment of the human that is putting out food and giving the sparrow hawk the opportunity to easily catch its food. Both to most naturists are perfectly acceptable but for the human who finds it upsetting to see small birds killed at their feeders. Please explain what is wrong with an armless shot of water if it deters the raptor and moves it on, I could understand if I had suggested a pole-trap an air-rifle or catapult.
The problem with most forum discussions we sometimes express our opinions as facts this is why when I discus cats I always back it up with links to trials by large societies or universities and not well known naturist personal opinions,but it still gets me into trouble:-O but if you were to see me and the neighbors ginger cat sharing the garden seat looking at the moon it may bring a smile to some.
Best regards
Rex.

Hi Rex,

TBH, I try not to link to too many trials, as I don't trust what I've not witnessed (I know, lots of problems with that).|=)|.

Apologies in advance to those that have read some of what I'm about to type before:

I'm fortunate to have seen very many Sparrowhawk kills in my garden over the years, and it's never "nice" to watch; in fact it's difficult to watch even now. The first time that I saw a Sparrowhawk kill a bird I was quite distressed, especially as the Collard Dove being eaten alive was one I gave a name to. Sometime later, I saw a female Sparrowhawk try to kill a sick Pigeon that I'd just taken to the Vets. The Pigeon was given Antibiotics, and it was a case of waiting to see if they'd work. The Pigeon could fly, so I didn't keep it indoors. Anyway, without thinking, I moved the curtain, which of course scared the Sparrowhawk away. A short time later, the same Sparrowhawk returned and killed a healthy Collard Dove. The sick Pigeon was dead the next day (no injuries from the Sparrowhawk).

So my choosing to interfere meant a healthy bird died, instead of the dying Pigeon. So scaring a Sparrowhawk away won't stop it killing, it will just stop you seeing the kill, which I guess is the point of this thread.

But here's where I have a problem:

I think we all understand your meaning and what you say is correct, but at this time of year raptors are normally in fine fettle feeding on the starving small birds and animals so if the sparrow hawk is weak ?? should it survive under artificial condition.

Couldn't you ask the same question about the other birds that we feed? Should we try to help the birds? And if so, isn't a Sparrowhawk just a bird? Which is what I was getting at about "Double standards".

I get that it's distressing to see a Sparrowhawk kill another bird, and if the choice is between stopping feeding altogether or scaring a Sparrowhawk away, then of course it's an easy decision. However, I think people should be aware that it's never as simple as that. Choosing to scare away a Sparrowhawk could result in it's death from starvation. It could also mean a sick bird surviving for another day, and a healthy one dying later.

So maybe sometimes, the best thing to do is nothing.

All the above is just my biased opinion, so don't believe a word of it.|=)|
 
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