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People who can afford to hire big game guides already have discretionary income to buy whatever they like. And even hunters of modest means will spring for the alphas here in Montana because they believe that gives them an advantage in their hunts, which of course it really doesn't. But we can't disregard the psychological aspects of believing that the Swarovski or Zeiss really made a difference, when a second hand Bushnell Custom picked up on Ebay for 30 bucks would do an adequate job.

The salespersons here in the specialty outdoors stores tell me that the Swarovskis will out sell all the other alphas combined. And not just to the affluent. People barely scraping by will buy them. The standard joke among the sales folks is that Swarovski can be spelled and pronounced several ways, including the current favorite, Divorski, if you will pardon a bad pun.

John
 
After being forced into exile by the Black Guelphs, I may have to return to Pennsylvania where there is a new culture clash brewing.

Formerly, this clash was between the tenured professors and university administrators, birdwatchers and/or hunters and who owned Swarovskis, Leicas, and Zeiss roofs, and the "pleb" (plebeian) hunters and birders, the non-union blue collar workers and white collar workers with blue collar paychecks, who do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community, and who own Monarchs, Bushnells, and such.

Now there's a new middle class on the rise in the commonwealth, the farmers who struck "gas" on their land and the gas workers who are making big bucks helping get that natural gas out of the farmer's ground and to market.

One gas worker told me his friend, a fellow gas worker, recently bought a $67,000 four-door pickup truck. Needles-to-hay, a $2,400 SV EL is a drop in the gas tank. The nouveau riche farmers and young gas workers are buying Swarovskis (hunters, all). Proud Papa's going to clean up if he can find a way to reach these new demographics.

Glad to hear the EDG is getting more popular at optics shows, the only EDGE that I see around here are Fords. The pope drives around in a six-wheel drive bullet-proof Leyland T 45.

From Roma...

Farming is so poor up in that neck of the woods that a good portion of the farms were leased out to hunting camps. Middle class is a big step up. Most of Pennsylvania's Northern Tier from Potato City on East is a rural slum. I have my doubts that the discovery and production of Gas there will result in any great benefit to the local economies. It will end up like Western PA Counties like Venango did after the discovery of shallow well natural gas there years ago. No one is interested in buying land where mineral rights have been sold.

Of more concern is it's affect on Bird Life in the area. Look over these links I posted here a while back about it's potential effect on Scarlet Tanagers and various Warbler species like Blackburnians which breed here.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=183339

There is also a link to an article from Audubon Magazine on the issue. The link to the newspaper article no longer works.

Bob
 
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Farming is so poor up in that neck of the woods that a good portion of the farms were leased out to hunting camps. Middle class is a big step up. Most of Pennsylvania's Northern Tier from Potato City on East is a rural slum. I have my doubts that the discovery and production of Gas there will result in any great benefit to the local economies. It will end up like Western PA Counties like Venango did after the discovery of shallow well natural gas there years ago. No one is interested in buying land where mineral rights have been sold.

Of more concern is it's affect on Bird Life in the area. Look over these links I posted here a while back about it's potential effect on Scarlet Tanagers and various Warbler species like Blackburnians which breed here.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=183339

There is also a link to an article from Audubon Magazine on the issue. The link to the newspaper article no longer works.

Bob

Farmers have to be fairly well off to have 1,000 acres to begin with, which is the minimum contract, though in suburban neighborhoods, it's different, if 90% of the neighborhood agrees to contracts, you can end up with a well 250 ft. from your house even if you don't want one.

But even so, going from farming part of 1,000 acres with corn or soybeans to receiving six figure royalty checks is a big step up. One banker I talked to said a farmer walked into his local branch and wanted to deposit a six figure check in his checking account! The teller said he could do better if he saw their wealth management rep. Some banks now have special wealth management divisions that deal exclusively with Marcellus land owners.

As far as the benefit to the local economies, it's a mixed bag. Pickup truck sales are up significantly in Lycoming County because of the gas workers and fleet sales to gas companies and support services companies.

OTOH, factories, restaurants, and supermarkets that use to employ young guys are hurting for workers because every able bodied young guy is working in the gas industry in the Northern Tier.

Also, housing prices have skyrocketed. Homes that were renting or $450-$550 per month, now cost $1,200-$1,500 per month. The gas workers can afford it, but it's tough on older guys with families who don't make a lot of money like they do.

In Verango County, it's a different story. Cranberry Township is becoming a hub for power companies. Westinghouse located their world HQ there, with 3,500 employees. Areva, which is a French power company, also located an office there and another company, can't remember the name.

So there it's not "hit and run," those jobs are steady and long term.

The effects on wildlife (not to mention human life) are quite controversial. Harrisburg wants to look the other way because all they want to see is jobs, jobs, jobs, which make them look good.

There were some environmental impact regs included in the Marcellus Shale bill, but they were chiefly to prevent water contamination. Plus the impact fee will help communities deal with environmental impacts, but it's not going to bring a species back.

There were two large E&P companies, Halliburton and BJ Services, that were using diesel fuel for fracking (not in PA, out West). The gov't regulators told them to stop using diesel fuel since it contains carcinogens, they said they would stop but continued for six more months until the wells were completed.

The gov't called the companies before Congress, the companies admitted to continuing to use diesel fuel, and they got fined. Something like $10,000 each. Big deal. They are making that per hour from the wells.

Until the gov't gets tough with these companies and shuts some wells down to prove they are serious rather than give them a slap on the wrist with a petty fine, some are going to continue to do what's expedient over what's best for the environment. There are good players in the industry and there are bad players, just like in any other industry. The task of the PA DEP should be to make it clear that bad players are not welcomed in the commonwealth.

Under former DEP Secretary John Hanger, whom I spoke with, I think that could have happened, but with the new sec. that Corbett picked, that doesn't seem likely. We'll see....
 
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And then there is the increase in the school populations. The need for more teachers. The wear and tear on the roads and bridges. And the consequent need for more tax money to pay for this. The traffic jams. The need for more state police because most of the municipalities don't have their own police forces. The people who have lost the use of their wells. (In Dimock, Pa for instance. The home of the Democratic Congressman from the 10th District who was thrown out of office in 2010 partly for saying nothing about how his neighbors did not have potable water to drink.) The pumping stations and wells that catch fire. There are numerous web sites that have documented this. But this is only a summary.

The Gas Companies are losing the Public Relations dispute. The cost to get this gas from shale at depths exceeding 5000 feet is enormous and everyone knows it now. Chesapeake Energy recently stopped pumping gas in PA temporarily because the world price of natural gas had gone too low to make a profit on it.

And worst of all, here in PA, unlike any other state that has a natural gas industry, the gas companies have not had to pay an extraction tax to help keep the area they live and work in livable. Bring that up with the new DEP Secretary the next time you see him.

Bob
 
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John,
A salesman at Sportsman's Warehouse in Albuquerque gave me the hard sell on Swarovski (Zeiss and Leica were also in the cabinet). He said they had crystal prisms. Well, they do make crystals, ya know? I thought the claim demonstrated intellectual broadness.

He also divulged that if a salesman sold enough units, Swavorski or Sikorsky or whatever would reward them with a CL.



Bob,
I am sorry to hear about all that. I have the highest regard for PA as a manufacturing powerhouse. Martin, Harley, Hershey, etc. etc., those things make the world go round. Thanks to PA, and its residents and workers, and good luck with the environmental troubles.


Ron
 
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"Intellectual broadness" = width = thick? Nice one!
And I thought it was 'Svar-off-ski'...
P.S. On checking the internet, the 'English pronunciation' is said to be 'Swor-off-ski', although when you click on the audio button, the lady says 'Swar-VOR-ski'. Curiouser and curiouser!
 
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While I am not sure this question can be answered, there is some data to answer which brand gets the most attention. Nikon, just look at the total number of posts on the site and compare to the other brands. Oddly enough, swaro and zeiss seem more common around my area. I see monarchs, the odd lxl and only rarely do I see the Edg. How common are nikons in your area?

Btw I am a nikon fan.

If the definition of Best Binocular is the brand that gets the most attention then I think it would be Bushnell. They are sold at a wide range of retail outlets.

I think that Best has to be qualified by ones intended use, budget and expectations.
 
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And worst of all, here in PA, unlike any other state that has a natural gas industry, the gas companies have not had to pay an extraction tax to help keep the area they live and work in livable. Bring that up with the new DEP Secretary the next time you see him.

Bob

True, true, and true, however, PA does have an impact fee now, though they are still sorting through the details of how to collect it from the gas companies and distribute it to the municipalities.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/tag/impact-fee/

The catch is that the municipalities must abide by the regulations in the Marcellus Shale bill (in terms of set backs, road access to gas companies, etc.) in order to receive the fee. If they make their own local ordinances that impinge on Marcellus drilling and transportation activities, gas companies can challenge those ordinances through the PUC, and if the PUC rules in favor of the gas company, the municipality loses its impact fee.

I saw a headline today that a 24-year-old gas worker died from an accident on a well site.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Harrisburg-man-killed-in-NW-Pa-drilling-accident-3463957.php

If I do get to interview Sec. Krancer, I'll share your thoughts with him.
 
"Intellectual broadness" = width = thick? Nice one!
And I thought it was 'Svar-off-ski'...
P.S. On checking the internet, the 'English pronunciation' is said to be 'Swor-off-ski', although when you click on the audio button, the lady says 'Swar-VOR-ski'. Curiouser and curiouser!

That's because Americans murder foreign words. Heck, they murder English words. Think of Leo Dorsey and the "Dead End Kids" movies. Norm Crosby did a pretty murderous job too, but I think "Dubbya" topped the cake.

If you want to find out how Bush would have mispronounced Swarovski read on....

http://www.ehow.com/how_2272065_mispronounce-words-like-george-bush.html

Steve's pronunciation of "Swar-VOR-ski" as "Swar-off-ski" is a bit 'off-ski'. :)

It's like Wojciehowicz, you say it just like you spell it. :)

I say it the way the audio lady does. The reason I know she's correct is because I went to college with a heavy set, big boned gal named Cindy Swarovski. She had a boyfriend named John who was about a foot shorter and weighed about 90 lbs. When Cindy got angry at him, she'd stick him under her arm and carry him down the hall to her room. He'd yell as his arms and feet flailed, "Put me down, Cindy!" "Put me down right this minute!" Of course, she never did. It was a riot, Alice.
 
If the definition of Best Binocular is the brand that gets the most attention then I think it would be Bushnell. They are sold at a wide range of retail outlets.

I think that Best has to be qualified by ones intended use, budget and expectations.

Yes. They are sold at Walmart in plastic shrinkwrap hanging by the fishing lures. UUGH! They are also the most returned binoculars.
 
"Intellectual broadness" = width = thick? Nice one!
And I thought it was 'Svar-off-ski'...
P.S. On checking the internet, the 'English pronunciation' is said to be 'Swor-off-ski', although when you click on the audio button, the lady says 'Swar-VOR-ski'. Curiouser and curiouser!

Here's a pronunciation site with a guy pronouncing Swarovski as "'Swor-off-ski." So I guess Cindy didn't even know how to pronounce her own name! :)

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=swarovski&submit=Submit

If you type in the word Porsche, you will get both the American pronunciation (PORSH) and the German (Porsh-AH). No silent letter at the end of German words, had four years of German.

So the difference between the woman's pronunciation and the man's may be due to regional dialects or to the pronunciation being Anglicized.

Hinnark could probably help us out here.

Brock
 
That's because Americans murder foreign words. Heck, they murder English words ... Norm Crosby did a pretty murderous job too, but I think "Dubbya" topped the cake.

A president mispronouncing a word isn’t particularly bad; it happens to everybody. Many of our words’ spelling break traditional pronunciation guidelines.

But when a word is pronounced they way it’s spelled, and is still mispronounced, it’s a case of not knowing the word … like “corpse-man” for “corpsman”.

Wait a minute. That wasn’t G. Bush; that was …
 
A president mispronouncing a word isn’t particularly bad; it happens to everybody. Many of our words’ spelling break traditional pronunciation guidelines.

But when a word is pronounced they way it’s spelled, and is still mispronounced, it’s a case of not knowing the word … like “corpse-man” for “corpsman”.

Wait a minute. That wasn’t G. Bush; that was …

Meester Fong,

Nice PR spin. Take the ONE word Obama mispronounced against the dozens of words Bush mispronounced and make it look equal. There's a future in talk radio for you, my boy! :)

Don't forget Obama spent some of his formative years in a foreign country (but he was not born in a foreign country, as the crazy "birthers" assert), where English was a foreign language. Well, wait a minute, so did Bush. Texas was never really annexed and the majority of people there speak Spanish. :)

If I added in all the weird pronunciations that Dubbya did that made it sound like he was saying the wrong word, his total word jumble count would jump into the hundreds.

Case in point, I was listening to him talk about how "tourists" lack "conscious". No doubt many tourists drink a lot and probably go unconscious at some point, but he was saying terrorists lack consciences. I surmised that from the context, but it didn't sound like it.

I hereby award George W. Bush the Norm Crosby No Prize in Malapropism.

He can collect his No Prize here for 99 cents.

B'rock
 
Meester Pronko,
You bring too much politics to this forum, sir. I read it for the binocular information, but I have to put up with the politics. It's not pleasant when a different opinion is given, is it?
 
Meester Pronko,
....It's not pleasant when a different opinion is given, is it?

Didn't mind it at all, Steve. You're entitled.

As far as "talking politics," I don't know how often you read threads the forums since you don't post that often, but if you check my record, I think you'll find that I rarely start the ball rolling (being sensitive to "rolling ball" :), but I sometimes find myself forced to chime in with a reality check when someone posts an outrageous prevarication.

It didn't matter if Bush was a Republican or Democrat or the John Birch Society candidate for president, he was simply the best example of someone known on both sides of the pond who was notorious for mispronunciations, the sub topic under discussion. I doubt of most people got my references to Leo Dorsey or Norm Crosby.

I suspected you were spoofing (or as the case was, giving me a "teachable moment"). Thanks for the lesson.

Brock
 
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