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Which binocular(s) did you use today? (3 Viewers)
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Delete ‘cup of tea’, insert ‘Nikon EII 8x30’.
Nice! Those E-Criterions are super nice, not much need to upgrade there. In my testing the E-C's had significantly less false color (CA) than the E2's. The E2's do have some advantages of their own.
re: American colonization - it's hard to understand today the significance of organized religion in those days. It was more like nationalism. The Protestants and Catholics, mainly England vs. France, were duking it out in wars around the world. In the northeast US there were several UK vs. France wars playing out in the 1700's with each side aligned with various Indian tribes basically fighting for the land & resources. The New England colonies always had way more people than the French Quebec colonies and so England eventually gained control of Quebec & Canada.
Pinewood
New York correspondent
Hello,
Yes, in the seventeenth century, the Netherlanders kicked the Swedes out of Delaware and the English kicked the Netherlanders from New York, but the Netherlanders got one of the Spice Islands. I guess spices were worth as much as beaver.
To return to the topic, I am still happily using my Zeiss SF 8x32, which is bright even on an overcast day.
My best birds of the day were a male wood duck and a red breasted nuthatch. Frozen lakes and ponds had kept the wood ducks away, until we had a bit of melting.
Happy bird watching,
Arthur
Thotmosis
Well-known member
So i took the Leitz 6x24 with me for an afternoon walk in the neighborhood. Great binocular for use in wooded areas (better as my KOMZ) but also for a wide landscape / city viewing. In the end i was surprised to see the local crow pack collect all kind of shells because it was low tide and let them fall on the rocks to open them and eat it. The little Leitz is also perfect to observe this kind of relatively close action. Even with one hand.
That is the model they should have Retro'ed!
@Scott98 - touching on your post #642, a few years ago there was a platform at Marble Arch that provided excellent views over Hyde Park. On it was a plaque mentioning the number of Catholics that were hanged at nearby Tyburn. It struck me, reading that, that Catholics were probably seen as the Muslims of that day.
Totally dead on the peregrine front today (at least during my hour up on the roof), but at least the company was pleasing:
Beaver has always been a valuable commodity!
@Scott98 - touching on your post #642, a few years ago there was a platform at Marble Arch that provided excellent views over Hyde Park. On it was a plaque mentioning the number of Catholics that were hanged at nearby Tyburn. It struck me, reading that, that Catholics were probably seen as the Muslims of that day.
Totally dead on the peregrine front today (at least during my hour up on the roof), but at least the company was pleasing:
jafritten
Well-known member
To my eyes certainly one of the most beautiful binoculars I know. I have never looked through one and I wonder what the view is like. What are the colours like?
Oh yes!
Aren’t they just gorgeous!
I would love a pair of those to go with the 7x35 and 8x40. The 10x40 can wait, the kleine 6x24 is next.
(@Thotmosis if you come across a dashing old git and a Rottweiler called Archie it would be in your best interests to hand over your bino’s or, on my command, he will lick you to death. Ik dank je).
Thotmosis
Well-known member
The view is immersive, clear and steady with nice contrast. It’s also a beautiful and well machined optical instrument, it has the looks. For me still very usable on a day to day basis. This cloudy morning i took the Leitz with me along with my Leica UV 8X32 and its apples and oranges ofcourse and no wonder the newer Leica with 32 mm objectives and newer coatings is the “better” binocular, with (in direct comparison) much brighter and more beautiful/vibrant colours.
I would buy a retro version of the Leitz in a heartbeat.
From a practical point of view: the Leica wins as i carried the Leitz in my coat pocket this morning and when i took it out of my pocket one of the rubber eyecups got loose and i almost lost it. They don’t have spare parts at the Leica factory anymore (also not for the Trinovid 7x35B) Then there are also more metal parts on the little Leitz, it was cold and its not so comfortable as the more rubbery Leica. So I tucked the little one away and continued with the UV, which still is one of my top 5 binoculars.
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Thotmosis
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Im curious what you think of the Monovid Ignatius. It’s a lovely monocular but needs a little practice for eye placement.
tenex
reality-based
I agree.
Everything about this remark is too bizarre to pass unchallenged. Most importantly, Catholics invented religious intolerance, and were of course known for persecuting and killing Protestants and other heretics, not vice versa. These Tyburn executions began with ringleaders of a revolt against Henry VIII's separation of England from that Church, and continued with others executed for offenses like treason, not simply for being Catholic. So presumbably we can guess who erected this curious plaque, and why we need to try to keep important historical facts straight.
This hasn't changed quite as much as you seem to imagine, so it's probably not the safest topic to get further into here.
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Thotmosis
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I totally agree. Just a small anecdote from my family history, my grandfather was a protestant who married a catholic girl (because she was pregnant) and he told me that because of the reactions from his family he basically lost his religion. His father, my great grandfather used to say “liever Turks dan paaps”, that’s how much they disliked the catholics.
Liever Turks dan Paaps - Wikipedia
Anyway nuff said. How is do you like your Leica 12x50? I watched seagulls fighting the strong winds this afternoon. Gorgeous view.
Thotmosis
Well-known member
I really need to try a modern Zeiss like your SF, i think that i would like the weight balance.
As a side note, not to get off topic here of course, the Dutch had probably too much jenever as they would never loose from the English (or any other Britton or how do you call these “natives” on the Island next to us?) when they were sober. Dutch courage?
GVD Meneer, dat is vechtende praat!
Irish courage is built on a solid foundation of Guiness, Black Bush and a sprinkling of Leprechaun magic. Oh and the odd glass of Genever whenever we pop over to the Low Countries for a bit of skiing or mountaineering!
Beste!
Which illustrates my point precisely - that Catholics were seen as the enemy within, driven by religious fanaticism, that were plotting, often with the aid of powerful foreign countries, to overthrow or nefariously influence the government of the day. Protestants did indeed experience religious persecution by the likes of Queen Mary I ("Bloody Mary") - but did the same when the shoe was on the other foot. As for "keeping historical facts straight" (NB. and on that score, religious intolerance had been going since well before the Catholics "invented" it...), it's worth noting that being Catholic was itself grounds for treason back in the day, on the basis that if one acknowledged the Pope as the supreme authority, one couldn't be loyal towards old Henry and/or his successors. I think most folks can probably see certain echoes in all that with things that are happening today.
Shall we get back to discussing beaver?
tenex
reality-based
I still have no idea what your point is, and if you'd rather discuss beaver you shouldn't have brought it up. Papists in particular were the enemy within, and were plotting to overthrow the government, as they continued to do (whenever a Catholic wasn't actually on the throne again) for a century and a half, finally requiring the Exclusion Act to put an end to it all. But presumably you know your own history? We even had an American echo of all this when JFK ran for President, and people got over their unease about the issue of allegiance to Rome by telling themselves (as Scott just said above) that things must be different now. (Well... not entirely. But no one raised any further fuss about Biden.)
Do provide some examples. In general pagan cultures were tolerant, even assimilative, which of course is how they fell so easily for Catholicism, just as others have more recently failed to recognize the threat of totalitarianism before it's too late.
It was a complicated situation, and this is an interesting point that occurred to me as I wrote my post. Do you know that people actually wound up being executed for no more reason than this? It seems somehow doubtful to me. But in any case it would pale in comparison to, say, the Inquisition.
"Most folks?" I responded because I can't imagine what parallel you think you see here. The historical/factual details seem too different to me.
The 12x50 is lovely glass. Most of the time my wife carries it when I'm using my 15x56, but sometimes I use it too. We had never had 12x before, and it's just enough of a difference from 10x to be useful, while still easy to handle. I'm very glad to have a recent Leica again to complement the old BN.
Pinewood
New York correspondent
Hello Thotmosis,
For sure! Perhaps you can sample one in a shop or look through one belonging to another bird watcher. It is larger than a typical 8x32 but it has excellent ergonomics, as recommended by Troubadour Personal preference is decisive among Leica, that Austrian brand and Nikon.
Happy bird watching,
Arthur
I'll take your professions at face value, and spell out the parallels I think I see:
- Gunpowder Plot and other real and alleged assassination attempts/plots - terror attacks carried out by Islamists
- religious allegiance to Rome trumping Englishness - religious allegiance to Islam trumping national identity
in general, both being seen as a kind of dangerous fifth column. Fortunately (though some might not agree...) we haven't got to the stage of hanging, drawing and quartering imams just yet.
I think these would more than fulfil the criteria of "religious intolerance"...
- persecution of Chinese Buddhists (and adherents of other non-indigenous religions) in Tang China (AD 850 or so)
- persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire (AD 300 or so) - presumably you might have heard of this?
- of Jews by the Babylonian Empire (and by numerous other regimes since)
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no observations today, the weather was too unpleasant for that. If conditions allow for it tomorrow I will probably use my usual 10x42 SE. Comparing it with the Dialyt since I got back has re-confirmed my opinion that image-wise it is slightly but definitely superior. Interestingly, I also find the Dialyt more exacting with regard to IPD and eye distance here compared to brighter climes. I would have to think my pupils contract somewhat more in the strong sunlight of places like Singapore and that makes eye placement easier.
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