These applications don't have a good level. I hope they will never.
Thanks. I excluded both Hippolais that I often hear, so my doubt was only with Blackcap. They don't often imitate, but when they do, they show incredible skills. I've no idea how to make it certain though.I don't know, to me it doesn't sound right for Marsh nor Icterine/Melodious Warbler. I do like the idea of it being a Blackcap. Habitat would fit... Certainly not the standard song but sometimes they do all kinds of stuff and imitations. It's a nice pitfall in early spring when an Icterine Warbler is reported only to be proven to be a Blackcap
Thank you for this analysis.Trying to make sense of it using 9 - In your dreams - The Sound Approach as a reference.
I think the 'za-wee' phrases (excerpt No. 2 from 060613.MR.45557.01) are present around 0:23, and the tempo is variable, so... it could be a Marsh Warbler, maybe? Not sure how distinctive the characteristics described above are and whether other species may mimic Marsh Warbler? A similar fragment is again around 0:31, and there's a vaguely similar (but, still, quite Marsh Warbler-like) fragment around 0:38.
(Attached is the original file converted to .wav and the full sonogram.)
I posted in 3 groups, and they are in French. Most if not all are private, not public. Not many new information though, same as here : Marsh Warbler, Icterine W., Melodious W., Blackcap...Hello Valéry,
can you post a link to the Facebook discussion, if its an open group (I havent a facebook account)? Thanks!
I'm very glad you commented my thread, Brian. I thought Marsh but a "little inside voice" told my to worry about a Blackcap. As I said earlier, I've heard incredible imitations it is able to do. However, I never had a case of an imitation sounding like a Marsh Warbler personally. The links you provided are really convincing. Thanks.Having been through the same experience and in the end finding a Blackcap at the end of a Marsh Warbler-like song, I would err towards Blackcap.
XC803961 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
xeno-canto.orgXC803957 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
xeno-canto.orgXC803950 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
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By the way, I created the Moroccan Rare Bird Committee in 1995 and later one, around 2000, we invited Arnoud van den Berg to become a member. I thus know him but didn't think to submit the song. As I resigned from the MRBC around 2005, I'm no longer in contact with him and I'm not sure where to find his email. In case you have got it, can you send it to me ?I forwarded your youtube link to Arjan Dwarshuis and he is also thinking it is a Marsh Warbler. Maybe forward it to renowned audio bird geek Arnoud van den Berg, researcher from Sound Approach.
Very weird, but very much more like a blackcap than is the OP's recording - which (again) is chock full of repeated phrases - which regular blackcaps and these marsh-warbler-mimic blackcaps just don't do.XC803961 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
xeno-canto.orgXC803957 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
xeno-canto.orgXC803950 Eurasian Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla)
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If you had my experience of Marsh Warbler, you would immediately hear that something is wrong. Sounds like one indeed, but with a but... in opposite, there's nothing against Blackcap, so the conclusion is "very probable Blackcap", although we will never prove it. Blackcap is abundant there, (Melodious W. is common) but Marsh W. (as well as Icterine W.) is rare. Excellent imitations from Blackcap is therefore the most likely. In this type of cases, you'll never find records with identical songs. Brian's links show that Blackcap is able to do it.Very weird, but very much more like a blackcap than is the OP's recording - which (again) is chock full of repeated phrases - which regular blackcaps and these marsh-warbler-mimic blackcaps just don't do.