Pete Haynes
Pete H
charly streets said:
Looks like a Common Quaker to me Charly.
Has a few here in the last few days
All the best
Pete H
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March Moths (2 Viewers)
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Looks like a Common Quaker to me Charly.
Has a few here in the last few days
All the best
Pete H
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
I've no trouble with that as a Common Quaker Charly.
BTW Pete, thank for sending up a Satellite! First for the garden last night and a long awaited first for me. I'll get pics tomorrow.
BTW Pete, thank for sending up a Satellite! First for the garden last night and a long awaited first for me. I'll get pics tomorrow.
Pete Haynes
Pete H
brianhstone said:
Brian, good to hear you've had your Satellite at last - excellent.
Last night (25th) was pretty wet here with a bit of breeze at times, min temp 9.2C. 83 moths of 17 species in four traps, 3x125MV and 1x40W actinic:
Yellow Horned (10)
March Moth (3)
Oak Beauty (7) - I find it very difficult not to photograph them any more!
Small Quaker (18)
Common Quaker (1)
Clouded Drab (1)
Twin-spotted Quaker (1)
Hebrew Character (3)
Grey Shoulder-knot (1)
Satellite (1)
Chestnut (26)
Depressaria daucella (1)
Agonopterix alstromeriana (2) - new for the year
Agonopterix arenella (1)
Agonopterix assimilella/scopariella (1) - to be gen detted, see piccie below
Tortricodes alternella (4)
Acleris ferrugana (1)
I spent some of yesterday at the microscope with 8 Acleris, all of which turned out to be ferrugana, 7 males and 1 female. They all looked very similar. Last night's ferrugana was more heavily spotted but has the two distinctive tufts on the wings. I had a couple like this last year too. So no A. notanas yet this year!
The A. assimilella/scopariella was very worn, see piccie. Any comments on this one?
Tonight is very mild, double figures, so it's all systems go. Already a few Small Quakers on the lawn are now in the trap and an Oak Beauty or two too.
All the best for tonight
Pete H
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Wandered Scot
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Pete, I like the spider! Funnily enough I photo'd at least 12 different ones I found doing the plot sampling over the weekend at Raglitz, all under 1cm body length. No I am not about to start spiders, but a photo record can't do any harm, somebody may find the data useful.
I also trapped at our Orchard on Friday (mickey mouse lamp) and Saturday(Andrews, 'Robinson').
Friday was warmish 7°C+, but a strong wind blowing from over snow, meant uncomfortable conditions to stand around in. At 23:00 it was 4°C, and results;
Dotted Border 1
Barred Tooth-striped 1
Saturday was a pleasant 11°C but cloudless. 22:30 3°C.
Early Moth 2
Barred Tooth-striped 1
Plumed Prominent 1
Earlier I got a Ypsolopha ustella in the house, which must have been brought it in with firewood.
On Saturday night, a local Mother Peter Buchner came round for the first time, and we did alot of catch up ID work from 2005 while the light was on outside. I take my hat off to this man, he started 5 years ago, has caught, photographed, (gen prep.'d when necessary), and made a picture folder presentation of the normals and variants of 1680 specie 3-5 km from Raglitz!! His work is absolutely amazing,(some of his early work is in the Austrian Schmetterlinge link amongst Ken's URL thread) and we now look forward to meeting more regularly. 2006 is looking good.
Question; Early Moth Theria primaria and Theria rupicapraria, according to a book I have here they are the same moth, only T. primaria is a variant and is less distinctly marked. Looking at photos I see it, but find the point debateable and in the West of Austria both forms are found. In the east we only have Theria rupicapraria see attached example. Opinions please.
Cheers for now B
Jim
I also trapped at our Orchard on Friday (mickey mouse lamp) and Saturday(Andrews, 'Robinson').
Friday was warmish 7°C+, but a strong wind blowing from over snow, meant uncomfortable conditions to stand around in. At 23:00 it was 4°C, and results;
Dotted Border 1
Barred Tooth-striped 1
Saturday was a pleasant 11°C but cloudless. 22:30 3°C.
Early Moth 2
Barred Tooth-striped 1
Plumed Prominent 1
Earlier I got a Ypsolopha ustella in the house, which must have been brought it in with firewood.
On Saturday night, a local Mother Peter Buchner came round for the first time, and we did alot of catch up ID work from 2005 while the light was on outside. I take my hat off to this man, he started 5 years ago, has caught, photographed, (gen prep.'d when necessary), and made a picture folder presentation of the normals and variants of 1680 specie 3-5 km from Raglitz!! His work is absolutely amazing,(some of his early work is in the Austrian Schmetterlinge link amongst Ken's URL thread) and we now look forward to meeting more regularly. 2006 is looking good.
Question; Early Moth Theria primaria and Theria rupicapraria, according to a book I have here they are the same moth, only T. primaria is a variant and is less distinctly marked. Looking at photos I see it, but find the point debateable and in the West of Austria both forms are found. In the east we only have Theria rupicapraria see attached example. Opinions please.
Cheers for now B
Jim
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Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
Most seem to refer to Theria primaria (Haworth, 1809) (or should that be (Haworth, [1809])?). Leps.it list both this and T. rupicapraria ([Denis & Schiffermüller], 1775):
http://www.leps.it/indexjs.htm?SpeciesPages/TheriRupic.htm
The finish site makes no mention of rupicapraria at all:
http://www.ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_life/intro.html
Sure you've already done all this Jim but it shows its puzzling.
http://www.leps.it/indexjs.htm?SpeciesPages/TheriRupic.htm
The finish site makes no mention of rupicapraria at all:
http://www.ftp.funet.fi/index/Tree_of_life/intro.html
Sure you've already done all this Jim but it shows its puzzling.
Wandered Scot
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brianhstone said:
Thanks Brian, and this is exactly my point. Maybe as you go west the colour, (after many thousands of years) has just got washed out of their DNA abit? There appears to be no genital variation recorded, but I take it this has been a debated subject in the higher loftier heights of entomology before and in our time too.
I got a caterpillar here in Wien last year, there is absolutely no difference to Porters photo, or description.
Cheers
Jim
Brian Stone
A Stone chatting
I just wonder why the later name has been adopted. I don't understand taxonomy & precedence. Perhaps someone on UK Moths will be able to enlighten us.
Pete Haynes
Pete H
Last night (26th)
Things started really hotting up last night (26th) with min temp of 9.8C, lots of rain and and slight breeze early but pretty windy later on. 160 moths of 15 species as follows:
Yellow Horned (11)
March Moth (1)
Oak Beauty (16)
Dotted Border (1)
Small Quaker (63)
Common Quaker (9)
Clouded Drab (3)
Twin-spotted Quaker (2)
Hebrew Character (12)
Chestnut (34)
Dotted Chestnut (1) - new for year
Tortricoded Alternella (4)
Acleris ferrugana (1)
Unid'd Agonopterix (1) - too wet to photograph yet (photo later)
Unid'd Yponomeutidae (1) - "
Total for year now 1039 moths of 33 species, 22 macros and 11 micros.
Hope the weather stays this warm with a lot less wind and not so heavy rain.
All the best
Pete H
Things started really hotting up last night (26th) with min temp of 9.8C, lots of rain and and slight breeze early but pretty windy later on. 160 moths of 15 species as follows:
Yellow Horned (11)
March Moth (1)
Oak Beauty (16)
Dotted Border (1)
Small Quaker (63)
Common Quaker (9)
Clouded Drab (3)
Twin-spotted Quaker (2)
Hebrew Character (12)
Chestnut (34)
Dotted Chestnut (1) - new for year
Tortricoded Alternella (4)
Acleris ferrugana (1)
Unid'd Agonopterix (1) - too wet to photograph yet (photo later)
Unid'd Yponomeutidae (1) - "
Total for year now 1039 moths of 33 species, 22 macros and 11 micros.
Hope the weather stays this warm with a lot less wind and not so heavy rain.
All the best
Pete H
Pete Haynes
Pete H
MikeWall said:
Yeh. Gen det it is Mike.
Thanks
Pete H
MikeWall
HantsMoth-er
Reader said:
John,
Most male moths have feathered antennae, to a greater or lesser extent, all the better to 'smell' the females. While this can be a useful determining feature for some species, wing characteristics are far more diagnostic for the majority of species. You will be getting a lot of Lead-coloured Drabs otherwise!
Mike
Wandered Scot
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Monday night was the first real moth night here, really mild, and unfortunately I was so knackered I couldn't make the most of it!! Switched off at 22:10 with incoming moths, its not fair!!! :-O
3 March moth
2 Spring Usher
1 Dotted Border
1 Small Quaker
1 Common Quaker
Yesterday a Hebrew Character hatched from a June 2005 pupation. It still hadn't unfolded it's wings when I found it in the glass, it was nice to take a moment and watch it stretch them out. Obligatory photos were taken and then it was released!
All for now
Jim
3 March moth
2 Spring Usher
1 Dotted Border
1 Small Quaker
1 Common Quaker
Yesterday a Hebrew Character hatched from a June 2005 pupation. It still hadn't unfolded it's wings when I found it in the glass, it was nice to take a moment and watch it stretch them out. Obligatory photos were taken and then it was released!
All for now
Jim
Cuckoo-shrike
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Oops ok it's a Turnip!
A bit rusty this early in the season.......
A bit rusty this early in the season.......
Wandered Scot
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Could someone please confirm (or not) that this is a melanic Spring Usher? I attach a normal which I am using as a comparison, 5mm grid.
I found it on a wall yesterday, sheltering from rather pisistent rain.
Thanks in anticipation.
Jim
I found it on a wall yesterday, sheltering from rather pisistent rain.
Thanks in anticipation.
Jim
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Ken Noble
Well, it's certainly melanic, Jim
I wouldn't like to say for certain but it could well be a spring usher. What are the other possibilities. The stripe on the abdomen looks right.
I had a few moths last night despite heavy rain.
common quaker 2
small quaker sev
oak beauty 3
March moth
Yellow horned (one rather dark one)
Chestnut (nfy)
Ken
I wouldn't like to say for certain but it could well be a spring usher. What are the other possibilities. The stripe on the abdomen looks right.
I had a few moths last night despite heavy rain.
common quaker 2
small quaker sev
oak beauty 3
March moth
Yellow horned (one rather dark one)
Chestnut (nfy)
Ken
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AlexWinser
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Angus T said:
