Colombia, Bogotá region, 03/20 (1 Viewer)

[Lanugoh]

Could anyone help to id this bird? I saw it March last year in the region around Bogotá in Colombia.

 

[Brian J Small]

Ashy-throated Chlorospingus

 

[THE_FERN]

Yes. Dark eye

 

[AveryBartels]

This is Common Chlorospingus. The subspecies (flavopectus) around Bogota have darker, dusky eyes but note the darker head than Ashy-throated shows. This is an EXTREMELY common error for the Bogota area. A while back I went through and reviewed a bunch of these errors in eBird media but there are likely a bunch more now from places like Chicaque Natural Park.

 

[THE_FERN]

This is Common Chlorospingus. The subspecies (flavopectus) around Bogota have darker, dusky eyes but note the darker head than Ashy-throated shows. This is an EXTREMELY common error for the Bogota area. A while back I went through and reviewed a bunch of these errors in eBird media but there are likely a bunch more now from places like Chicaque Natural Park.

Not calling this into question (thanks for the note): does it mean the proaves guide is wrong? It shows flavopectus with a pale eye.

 

[njlarsen]

Not calling this into question (thanks for the note): does it mean the proaves guide is wrong? It shows flavopectus with a pale eye.

flavopectus is shown with a quite dark eye in the WCS guide (Quinones).

Niels

 

[THE_FERN]

flavopectus is shown with a quite dark eye in the WCS guide (Quinones).

Niels

Thanks

 

[njlarsen]

Here is a scan from the page I was referring to

Niels

 

[njlarsen]

Here is a scan from the page I was referring to

Niels

I guess my real message is that this book might be better than I initially thought.

Niels

 

[THE_FERN]

I guess my real message is that this book might be better than I initially thought.

Niels

Yes illustrations look good (although choice of map colours indistinguishable). We need AndyAdcock to tell us how the new Hilty guide stacks up

 

[Andy Adcock]

Yes illustrations look good (although choice of map colours indistinguishable). We need AndyAdcock to tell us how the new Hilty guide stacks up

Best I can do with a 2 year old climbing on me, top image is flavopectus......

 

[Andy Adcock]

Not calling this into question (thanks for the note): does it mean the proaves guide is wrong? It shows flavopectus with a pale eye.

Short answer would seem to be yes.

 

[THE_FERN]

Short answer would seem to be yes.

Great thanks. So far conclusion seems to be "probably need all 3 guides". Proaves gives better indication of subspecies ranges and illustrates some the others don't (but illustrations not great even when correct). Quinones/Hilty illustrates subspecies correctly & pics are good. Quinones shows more sspp. Hilty gives more background. Good thing my mobile has a micro SD...

 

[Andy Adcock]

So what's the consensus now, I favour Ashy-throated?

 

[njlarsen]

I would tend to go with Avery Bartels who seems to have the local knowledge the rest of us are missing. Checking the images on BoW for Ashy-throated just convinced me, that is NOT the OP bird. flavopectus for me.

Niels

 

[Andy Adcock]

I would tend to go with Avery Bartels who seems to have the local knowledge the rest of us are missing. Checking the images on BoW for Ashy-throated just convinced me, that is NOT the OP bird. flavopectus for me.

Niels

I see that Ashy-throated is illustrated in the Lynx guide, with a pale, lower mandible compared to the all dark bill of flavopectus, don't know if this might be a separating feature?

 

[njlarsen]

I see that Ashy-throated is illustrated in the Lynx guide, with a pale, lower mandible compared to the all dark bill of flavopectus, don't know if this might be a separating feature?

take a look at the images here
https://ebird.org/species/atbtan1

The contrast between throat and head is just so much less than what is shown in the OP photo.

Niels

 

[Brian J Small]

I would tend to go with Avery Bartels who seems to have the local knowledge the rest of us are missing. Checking the images on BoW for Ashy-throated just convinced me, that is NOT the OP bird. flavopectus for me.

Niels

I agree - Common Chlorospingus flavopectus

Brian

 

[Andy Adcock]

take a look at the images here
https://ebird.org/species/atbtan1

The contrast between throat and head is just so much less than what is shown in the OP photo.

Niels

Yet in the Lynx guide, looks almost white?

 

[njlarsen]

Yet in the Lynx guide, looks almost white?

The photos I saw: if the throat was near white then the crown was paler than what we see here; and if the crown was darker almost like here, then the throat was decidedly grey. So less difference between crown/sides of head and throat than on this image.

Niels