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[Richard Klim]

Willow x Siberian Tit

Martin Garner, Birding Frontiers, 3 Apr 2013: Siberian Tit X Willow Tit Hybrid.

 

[fugl]

On the assumption that this thread is still alive, here's a case of probable hybridization I recently discovered in a public park in Reno. Note that one of the species--Red-eyed Vireo--is a great rarity in Nevada. Note also that both of the parent species are common cowbird hosts & it's possible that there's nothing in the nest but cowbirds (but with luck we'll know for sure in a few days)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fugl/9221868355/in/photostream

 

[Mysticete]

So the author of of the Handbook of Avian Hybrids has a website, which came up in discussion today with some friends. Not about Avian hybrids, but some of the...err...interesting ideas the author has claimed.

Like you know, humans being the result of an ancient hybridization event between chimps and pigs

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins-2.html#.UpoT0-I4nMo

Or that dog and primate hybrids are an actual thing:

http://www.macroevolution.net/dog-primate-hybrids.html#.UpoTyuI4nMq

This makes me very suspicious of his bird handbook...

 

[fugl]

So the author of of the Handbook of Avian Hybrids has a website, which came up in discussion today with some friends. Not about Avian hybrids, but some of the...err...interesting ideas the author has claimed.

Like you know, humans being the result of an ancient hybridization event between chimps and pigs

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins-2.html#.UpoT0-I4nMo

Or that dog and primate hybrids are an actual thing:

http://www.macroevolution.net/dog-primate-hybrids.html#.UpoTyuI4nMq

This makes me very suspicious of his bird handbook...

Whoa. . .. Fascinating! There is nothing remotely congruent with these wild lines of thinking in the avian hybrid book (the e-version of which I own) which struck me when I read the introductory sections a few months ago as sober & scholarly to a fault.

 

[Mysticete]

So there was nothing on bird-mammal hybrids?

Because...that is totally also on this website

http://www.macroevolution.net/bird-mammal-hybrids.html#.Upo0FuI4nMo

"It is because platypuses and echidnas have many features that are typical of birds, and not of mammals, that they are classified as separate from all other mammals. Since their genomes both contain genes otherwise found only in birds, and since they have so many traits (listed in the sidebar at right) that connect them with reptiles and birds, is it not, perhaps, reasonable to consider the possibility that they are not merely birdlike mammals, but that they are actually rare examples of hybrids descended from ancient, unusual matings between mammals and birds? "

NO IT IS NOT REASONABLE

 

[chris butterworth]

Seems like he's been indulging in a bit of 'hybridization' himself. Possibly between Panaeolina foenisecii and his brain. 8-P

Chris

 

[MJB]

So there was nothing on bird-mammal hybrids?

Because...that is totally also on this website

http://www.macroevolution.net/bird-mammal-hybrids.html#.Upo0FuI4nMo

"It is because platypuses and echidnas have many features that are typical of birds, and not of mammals, that they are classified as separate from all other mammals. Since their genomes both contain genes otherwise found only in birds, and since they have so many traits (listed in the sidebar at right) that connect them with reptiles and birds, is it not, perhaps, reasonable to consider the possibility that they are not merely birdlike mammals, but that they are actually rare examples of hybrids descended from ancient, unusual matings between mammals and birds? "

NO IT IS NOT REASONABLE

Agreed. The absurdly odd fundamentalist creationists in the US often make a song and dance about macro- and micro-evolution as being wholly separate and distinct, thus 'disproving' Darwinism, but the corollary has been a flood of woo-woo websites that seek (mostly by oft-repeated and strongly-emphasised unsupported assertions) to prop up the creationist 'separation' of micro- and macro-evolution.

They throw a smokescreen over their arguments by asserting that Darwinism is negated by the impossibility of abiogenesis, and then provide their adherents with lots of 'sciency' phrases and soundbites that, when uttered with solemnity or conviction, enable them to bombard message boards with floods of posts. It sounds as if the website you cite is but one of the many preaching conviction biology.:C
MJB

 

[Richard Klim]

The Avian Hybrids Project

Ottenburghs, Ydenberg, van Hooft, van Wieren & Prins 2015. The Avian Hybrids Project: gathering the scientific literature on avian hybridization. Ibis 157(4): 892–894. [pdf]

• avianhybrids.wordpress.com/

 

[Chosun Juan]

Brown Goshawk (female) X Grey Goshawk (male) ....... Author - Penny Olsen
http://www.researchgate.net/publica...Australia_and_a_comparison_of_the_two_species
http://globalraptors.org/grin/ResearcherResults.asp?lresID=280

NB. I have seen a photograph of this bird in one of Penny Olsen's big books on Australian Birds of Prey, gorgeous and wonderfully handsomely feathered bird she is too ) ..... kind of like a varied Taupe color with darker elements (wings) and subtle barring, along with, if I recall correctly, a white eyebrow. The pdf above describes her very well - there should be pictures online somewhere .....


Chosun :gh: