North East London Redwing? (1 Viewer)

[KenM]

Currently have daily Redwings into the garden feeding on the Ivy then bathing in the splash pool.
To my eye, this bird looks high up on the grey scale?
Have researched images for “grey” Redwings without any success.
Would anybody have any info regarding this morph?

Cheers

 

[Butty]

Can't tell from this (single) photo whether it's out of the ordinary or not: lighting, exposure, colour balance, saturation, photo/software-quirks in general - and no comparison.

 

[KenM]

Here’s perhaps a better comparative?

 

[Hotspur]

The picture just looks desaturated. Nothing abnormal there IMO.

 

[Butty]

Here’s perhaps a better comparative?

Afraid you entirely missed the point.

 

[KenM]

The picture just looks desaturated. Nothing abnormal there IMO.

Both images were shot within a minute or two of one another, through the bins the “grey” bird looked just that, hence the shot compared to the “grey brown” bird.
Seems odd that under the same lighting, the camera should desaturate then normalise?

 

[Hotspur]

Odd or not Ken, you only have to look at the photo to see all the colours are cold.

 

[jogresh]

First impression is that it's a normal Redwing. 🤷

 

[KenM]

Odd or not Ken, you only have to look at the photo to see all the colours are cold.

I take your point, but the reason for imaging was just that it looked colder, here is the same image with the vibrancy and saturation both maxed to a 100%.

 

[01101001]

Anybody has access to BotW?

T. i. iliacus:

• Scandinavia to Siberia; winters in Europe, north Africa and Asia. Paler and more finely streaked, slightly smaller.

T. i. coburni:

• Iceland and Faeroes; winters northwestern Europe, mainly Ireland and western Scotland, south to Northern Spain. Darker, with more extensive streaking below, and slightly larger and heavier.

Redwing - BirdForum Opus

www.birdforum.net

(?)

 

[Prestdj]

this could take days until the penny drops! classic ken post

 

[Farnboro John]

One's in deep shade and one isn't. Just in case there is any lingering doubt in anyone at all, here are two Northern Waterthrush photos of the same individual taken within the space of a couple of minutes.

John

 

[KenM]

One's in deep shade and one isn't. Just in case there is any lingering doubt in anyone at all, here are two Northern Waterthrush photos of the same individual taken within the space of a couple of minutes.

John

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The only difference in my situation, was that both images were taken under the same lighting within inches of one another.😮

 

[01101001]

Anybody has access to BotW?

Redwing - BirdForum Opus

www.birdforum.net

(?)

At least this one may (?) be more readily identifiable down to ssp. than some others with intermediate characteristics. The status of both subspecies wintering in Southeastern England is still not clear (from what I've read in an old post in here).

 

[Butty]

both images were taken under the same lighting within inches of one another.

Please try to be objective... One is clearly well up in a holly bush, quite exposed, and well lit. The other is - just as obviously - on the ground in poor light. Your take on the circumstances is incorrect.

 

[StephenHampshire]

Both images were shot within a minute or two of one another, through the bins the “grey” bird looked just that, hence the shot compared to the “grey brown” bird.
Seems odd that under the same lighting, the camera should desaturate then normalise?

Did you use AWB? (Auto White Balance) I've had the same, a sequence of shots in close vicinity and the odd one where the camera throws a curve ball. I shoot RAW+JPEG so can correct anything that seems out of whack

 

[dantheman]

At least this one may (?) be more readily identifiable down to ssp. than some others with intermediate characteristics. The status of both subspecies wintering in Southeastern England is still not clear (from what I've read in an old post in here).

I'm a tad unclear - are you suggesting this is nominate Redwing and it's paler compared to the other Redwings present which are Icelandic? Or it's a paler than usual nominate??

Seems a bit of a red herring if so ... first result on google search Icelandic Redwing status UK -

Redwing and rarer relatives photo ID guide

The familiar Redwing winters in Britain and Ireland in the millions, but could you recognise any of the four similar Asian thrushes which occur here as vagrants? Andy Stoddart is on hand to help.

www.birdguides.com

 

[THE_FERN]

The grey image clearly has colour balance and saturation off. Just need to compare the vegetation in each photo. Use curves to adjust the grey one, using green of the other as reference and it'll almost certainly look the same. Nothing to see here...

 

[01101001]

Seems a bit of a red herring if so ... first result on google search Icelandic Redwing status UK -

Redwing and rarer relatives photo ID guide

The familiar Redwing winters in Britain and Ireland in the millions, but could you recognise any of the four similar Asian thrushes which occur here as vagrants? Andy Stoddart is on hand to help.

www.birdguides.com

Yes, you are right, of course. The post I meant (Icelandic Redwing?- Surrey, UK) was based on the author's own analysis, and--even there--it was only suggested as a distant possibility.

I'm a tad unclear - are you suggesting this is nominate Redwing and it's paler compared to the other Redwings present which are Icelandic? Or it's a paler than usual nominate??

No, the latter of the two, possibly (unless the balance is off indeed).

 

[Grahame Walbridge]

Anybody has access to BotW?

Redwing - BirdForum Opus

www.birdforum.net

(?)

Both images show perfectly typical nominate iliacus, the form which winters across most of the UK, underpart streaking is nowhere near strong enough + legs way too pale for coburni, absolutely nothing intermediate about either bird. And, no clinal variation mentioned in literature.

Grahame