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"Popular" misspelt bird names (3 Viewers)

Oh for the days when things were simple, when comparative modifiers such as 'Greater' and 'Lesser' for woodpeckers would be correct only when there was another species 'Spotted Woodpecker' to go in the middle....

Returning to the thread proper, a very common mispronunciation of Balearic Shearwater is 'Bah-leer-ic' instead of 'Bah-lay-ahr-ic', with the stress on the third syllable. Ronnie Barker should have written a skit on the subject!:-O
MJB
 
Returning to the thread proper, a very common mispronunciation of Balearic Shearwater is 'Bah-leer-ic' instead of 'Bah-lay-ahr-ic', with the stress on the third syllable. Ronnie Barker should have written a skit on the subject!:-O
But it goes very well with "The water in Majorca don't taste like what it oughta!" ;)
 
Mike, you'll probably get banned for repeatedly, but wholly unsuccessfully, trying to raise the tone of BirdForum discussions. ;)

Richard,
Didn't want you to be fighting battles on your own:t: - 'What we want is another futile gesture' (attr Peter Cooke).
MJB
PS Here in Oz, the display boards for reserves mostly are superbly produced, but it seems to be compulsory to fire apostrophes at them from a shotgun - that's another form of spelling error, of course, the scattergun apostrophe.
 
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I, as a moderator, do not go through all the posts here on the BirdForum and attempt to correct grammatical/spelling/punctuation errors. (* If I were to do so, it would probably turn into a full time job!)

Generally, what is posted by the various individuals is what you get!
 
if we are getting into mispronunciations, than I have a ton. For instance, when I started birding, I eagerly awaited my first "Scooter", "Malted Owl and "jagger"
 
Montagu's Harrier is often spelt Montague's Harrier. These mispellings are sometimes / often where birds are named after people. Same with Eleonora's Falcon being called Elenora's Falcon.
 
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Anyone prepared to set a spelling test for the mods?:eek!::eek!::eek!:
MJB

So we're getting blamed for spelling mistakes made by members now ;)
I did laugh at the earlier suggestion that moderators spend our time searching posts for mistakes and typos made by members and correcting them.
 
I did laugh at the earlier suggestion that moderators spend our time searching posts for mistakes and typos made by members and correcting them.

I can't let this caricature pass, since I assume that it's inspired by post #15 in which I express surprise (in a brief aside) that egregious misspellings of bird names in the titles of long-running threads were never corrected by the mods. Birds are what we're about here after all & I would have thought that occasionally at least errors of this kind would catch a moderator's eye & be dealt with just for the esthetics of it. I was certainly not suggesting that the mods (or anybody else) waste their time searching out errors.

Anyway an entertaining thread so far, "mistakes & typos" & all. ;)
 
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I can't let this caricature pass, since I assume that it's inspired by post #15 in which I express surprise (in a brief aside) that egregious misspellings of bird names in the titles of long-running threads were never corrected by the mods. Birds are what we're about here after all & I would have thought that occasionally at least errors of this kind would catch a moderator's eye & be dealt with just for the esthetics of it. I was certainly not suggesting that the mods (or anybody else) waste their time searching out errors. Anyway an entertaining thread so far, "mistakes & typos" & all. ;)

A measured and thoughtful response, fugl, which I support.

Playing devil's advocate, though, brings the thought that the aim of getting things as right as possible would automatically include a mechanism that would correct such errors in thread titles. It's taken me aback that any moderator at any time would 'laugh' at the thought of putting such errors right - after all, they put in enormous effort and spend innumerable time, for which we should be grateful, steering threads away from the threat of legal action, from spiteful dialogue and from inaccurate taxonomic and ID aspects.

Where's the dividing line between this praiseworthy approach and the hostility expressed towards spelling errors in thread titles? By what possible measure could this be called 'wasting time' if it helps get things right?

Everyone makes typos, and everyone makes spelling mistakes. A significant number of people have difficuties with words and spelling that is no fault of their own. However, disinclination on the part of those who do not suffer from such problems to make any attempt to try to spell words correctly seems deeply ingrained. In my view, that probably stems more from the educational system's failures than from any other reason. I think it would be counter-productive for moderators to correct spelling errors (forget differences such as UK vs US spelling) in posts. Much more important is the need for as many people to become involved as possible in their passion for birds.

I would encourage the moderators to respond positively to fugl's gentle remonstrance. Bird Forum is a tremendous resource, but don't underestimate the impact that mis-spellings have on people who are learning English, or whose first language isn't English. The English language is one of the finest tools that you can use to make life interesting. Rant over!:t:
MJB
 
It's probably not technically too difficult for forum software like this to implement a spell checking system for the names of birds. There are ongoing projects online to use more semantic tags, including microformats which makes information that is understandable to humans, understandable by machines. We know a bird name when we see it, even if it isn't spelled correctly, but a computer doesn't, unless it's a common word like Hreon (the spell checker picked up on this and among the suggestions was the correct word Heron - but even though it knows which word it should possibly have been, it doesn't know this is the name of a bird).

I don't know if it's ever been looked into, but perhaps whenever information is added to Opus, the names of birds would be tagged, and then the forum software's spell checking engine would use this when people are typing.

I see the internationally agreed English form is "Grey Heron" rather than "Gray Heron". Opus should use this internationally agreed form and the spell checker should use it as its reference. A spell checker on its own would not recognise "Gray", "Grey" or "Heron" as incorrect words, but it should know the difference between "Gray Heron" and "Grey Heron". The system could also make use of synonyms, so if an American user typed Gray Heron, it could accept this in the post but have a dotted underline in the post and if you hover over it, it shows the internationally agreed form on which it was tagged in Opus.

The same would also apply with birds like White-fronted Goose, where the correct usage is Greater White-fronted Goose. While most of us use the locally known name in everyday speech, I like the international form because it gives an indication of the range of a species. For example, while I don't use it in everyday speech, I like Northern Gannet because to me if gives a flavour of the range this bird covers, and recognises that there are other gannets that have different geographical ranges.

Bird names are often quite specialised knowledge and the less well known species probably aren't included in spell checkers (for example, Phalarope isn't recognised by this site's spell checker), but I'm sure if Opus entries were semantically tagged then even the mistakes mentioned in this thread would be picked up even against the least well known species.

This should also apply to scientific names as well.
 
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I see the internationally agreed English form is "Grey Heron" rather than "Gray Heron".
That's not quite true. Although the IOC recommended English name is listed only as as Grey Heron for conciseness, the use of Grey or Gray (as locally appropriate) is encouraged:
British versus American

The names reflect the committee's view that spelling should be consistent throughout the list. Easily stated and on its face obvious, this rule became difficult to apply where the same words have for centuries been spelled differently in different English-speaking countries.

The problem essentially involves British and American spellings, with some countries being on one side and some on the other. The gray/grey difference is the most pervasive and best known, but other variant words are color/colour, mustache/moustache, racket/racquet, ocher/ochre, somber/sombre, saber/sabre, miter/mitre, sulfur/sulphur, and perhaps others.

The committee decided to select one spelling for each variant word, because to state these words in the alternative in every case would produce a cumbersome list. But the committee encourages each author and publisher to select whatever spelling of these words is deemed appropriate (since that would undoubtedly happen anyway).

The spellings selected by the committee represent a compromise. Grey is used because far more taxa have traditionally used that spelling than gray. The list likewise adopts the British spelling of sombre, sabre, sulphur, mitre, ochre, and moustache, and the American spelling of color and racket. This tilt to the British side is justified by the fact that both spellings of every one of these variant words is considered correct in typical American dictionaries, such as the unabridged Merriam-Webster Dictionary.

We hope this solution will find favor with most users of the list.
 
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That's not quite true. Although the IOC recommended English name is listed as Grey Heron, the use of Grey or Gray (as locally appropriate) is encouraged:

That reference is exactly where I got my information. I had read it as you can use Gray or Grey in certain situations, but that Grey is the international form that should be used. This quote is what qualifies the statement to me "committee decided to select one spelling for each variant word", but as you say it goes on to say "committee encourages each author and publisher to select whatever spelling of these words is deemed appropriate", and to me this still suggests that Grey is the internationally agreed term, even though the other spelling isn't incorrect in its own right.

So if you were writing in an American journal aimed at an American audience, then Gray would be the acceptable use, but if you published something in say Nature that was aimed at an international audience, then Grey would be used. That's just how I interpreted it.
 
In practice, I always use a hybrid approach to maximise compatibility with existing literature: English spellings for predominantly Old World taxa, and American spellings for predominantly New World taxa.
 
In practice, I always use a hybrid approach to maximise compatibility with existing literature: English spellings for predominantly Old World taxa, and American spellings for predominantly New World taxa.

I couldn't agree more ( ........... except when the American spelling is wrong ;) ).

Grey = colour ( not color, we are speaking English, not Latin :t: )
Gray = Surname of a person !!!!!!!!

Chris ( sitting back and waiting for all hell to break loose :-O )
 
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